A Response to ‘Women Against Feminism.’

Imagine this:

The year is 2014. You are a white Western woman. You wake up in the morning in a comfortably sized house or flat. You have a full or part-time job that enables you to pay your rent or mortgage. You have been to school and maybe even college or university as well. You can read and write and count. You own a car or have a driver’s licence. You have enough money in your own bank account to feed and clothe yourself. You have access to the Internet. You can vote. You have a boyfriend or girlfriend of your choosing, who you can also marry if you want to, and raise a family with. You walk down the street wearing whatever you feel like wearing. You can go to bars and clubs and sleep with whomever you want.

Your world is full of freedom and possibility.

Then you pick up a newspaper or go online. You read about angry women ranting about sexism and inequality. You see phrases like ‘rape-culture’ and ‘slut-shaming.’ You furrow your brow and think to yourself: ‘What are they so angry about? There is no such thing as sexism anymore.’

Now imagine this:

The year is 2013. You are a 25 year-old Pakistani woman. A few months ago, you married the man you love. A man you choose for yourself. You are also pregnant with his child. You see your life stretching out before you, filled with hope and happiness. Suddenly, you and your husband are dragged away from each other. You are both beaten with bricks and batons. You can’t fight back. You can’t escape. No one comes to help you. Through your fading vision, you look up, and look into the eyes of one of your assailants: into the eyes of your father.

The year is 2013. You are a 23 year-old Indian woman. You are a physiotherapy student with a promising career ahead of you. You are sitting on a private bus travelling home alone on a warm December evening. You gaze out of the window as the buildings of New Dheli rush past you and feel content. Suddenly, a blunt force hits the back of your head and you fall to the floor of the bus. A group of strange men are standing over you. They bring the metal bar down on you again and again and again until all you can taste is the blood filling up your mouth. You pray that you will die soon. And you do, but not then. You are raped, beaten, and tortured over and over again. Death is slow and agonising.

The year is 2014. You are a 13 year-old girl from Niger. You no longer live there though. You are now living in the neighbouring country Nigeria, sitting alone in small room on a small bed in a small apartment high above the city of Kano. You are not allowed to leave. Your stomach is swollen from the unwanted life growing inside of it. You had no choice. The father is a man in his 40s. He is a businessman. He has bought you as his wife. You were a penniless, uneducated girl when he came for you. You don’t know of any life you could have had. Neither did your family: just one less mouth for them to feed. You still have the body of a child, and it’s straining under the pressure from the one inside of you. You feel like you’re about to be split in two. You don’t wonder if you will survive the birth. A part of you doesn’t want to.

These are fictionalised accounts of real events that have happened to real women living in our world today. They follow the past 250 years of women and men campaigning for women to be given equal rights to men to prevent these kinds of injustices and abuses on the grounds of gender taking place. Over the course of this time, campaigners – Feminists, both female and male – have been locked up, beaten, tortured, and even killed, in the pursuit of equality. They did this with pen and ink and print; they did this with their voices; they did this with their bodies; they did this with art and music; they did in courts of law and halls and houses of government that they fought be to allowed into.

They did this so that women would no longer been seen as property, livestock, breeding machines, sex objects, punching bags, or infantile morons. They did this not just for themselves, but also for their daughters, and their daughters, and their daughters for generations to come. They did this for women they would never meet – women who lived across countries, across vast oceans, across the entire globe, and even across time.

They did this so that women like me – a white Western woman – could attend school and university; to learn to read, write, and think critically; to gain a degree; to get a job and be paid an equal salary to a man in the same position; and to sit here with my own computer and type all of this.

Feminism is a movement for freedom, equality, choice, love, compassion, respect, solidarity, and education. We may argue, we may disagree, we may struggle to understand the choices and perspectives of others sometimes, but these core beliefs of the movement have never changed, and they never will.

That is why I am a Feminist.

If you feel that you have so far lived your life unaffected by even the mildest form of sexism – anything from feeling uncomfortable when a man catcalls you in the street, to feeling scared walking home alone at night in a secluded area – and are treated with love and respect by every man in your life, then to you I say: I’m glad for you. If you don’t think you need feminism, then that is a victory for the movement. You have fulfilled all those dreams that every suffragette being force-fed in prison and every ‘witch’ burnt at the stake dreamed you would one day.

But perhaps take a second to consider the life of the Pakistani woman who was beaten to death by her own family for marrying a man of her choosing. Or the life of the Indian woman who was raped, beaten, and murdered on a bus by a gang of men. Or the life of the little girl in Niger who was sold to a man more than twice her own age and forced to carry a baby that may kill her to deliver. Do they still need feminism?

And perhaps take a second to consider this too: Even in our liberal, Western world, why do women still only fill 24% of senior management jobs? Why are more women than men domestically abused or even killed every week at the hands of their male partner or ex-partner? Why is there still a pay gap (in the UK specifically) of 15% for women doing the same jobs and working the same hours as men?

And what about on a cultural level? Have you ever noticed how comedy panel shows usually only have one female panellist compared to 4-5 male ones? That almost every dieting product on the market is solely aimed at women? How a lot of newspapers and advertising campaigns will use a sexualised or pornographic image of a woman to sell news or products that have nothing to do with sex?

Or perhaps on a personal level: Do you choose to wear certain clothes because you want to or because you feel ‘unfeminine’ if you don’t? Do you choose to cover yourself up because you want to or because you feel ashamed or intimidated by a man looking at your body? Do you shave your legs and underarm hair because you want to or because you will look ‘ugly’ if you don’t? Did you parents dress you in pink as a baby because they liked the colour or because you were born a girl? Do you want to have children because you want to or because you are a woman?

When you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning, do you see yourself through your own eyes, or through the eyes of the men that will look at you when you walk out the door?

The fact is, like it or not, you still live a world where gender matters. Where gender controls not just the entire course of your life – but the lives of women all over the world. Every second, a child will be born female in a country where she will persecuted for this random biological occurrence for the rest of her life. So before you hold up your anti-Feminist placard proudly and smile at your own sense of empowerment, think not what Feminism can do for you, but what it can do for that one girl. She needs someone to stand up for her. That someone could be you.

UPDATE: Click here to read my follow up to this article: ‘Equalism: The Feminist Alternative?’


This is a response to ‘Women Against Feminism’ groups on Tumblr and Facebook.

The stories of the women mentioned in this post were sourced from these sites:

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2014/05/29/pakistani-woman-stoned-to-death-for-marrying-a-man-of-her-own-choosing/

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2013/01/02/indias-tipping-point-death-of-rape-victim-sparks-global-outrage/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27619295

Other facts and statistics were sourced from here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/international-womens-day-2014-the-shocking-statistics-that-show-why-it-is-still-so-important-9177211.html

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  1. kimmy221b

    I completely agree! Thank you so much for writing this 🙂

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  2. Elizabeth

    Reblogged this on and commented:
    “Feminism is a movement for freedom, equality, choice, love, compassion, respect, solidarity, and education. We may argue, we may disagree, we may struggle to understand the choices and perspectives of others sometimes, but these core beliefs of the movement have never changed, and they never will.”

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  3. ATC

    I skimmed through this as I’m not great a reading large blocks of text.. But it does seem more to be less about feminism and more about religious/ideological zealotry..?

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  4. downmyfront

    Reblogged this on Down My Front and commented:
    Reblogged-because it’s important

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  5. vicbriggs

    I enjoyed reading your article. I thought the stories you used to exemplified the plight of women outside the western world were moving. It seems strange to me that – if all they [the women in the movement you wrote your reply to] want is empowerment without the label of feminism, they should take such troubles to identify themselves as anti-feminists. If they want to be independent and detached from the movement of feminism, why attach themselves to it in the negative? Why not simply get on with their professed egalitarian agenda? I cannot but suspect that their agenda cannot be as egalitarian in nature as they appear to profess, if they feel the need to put themselves in competition to and opposition to, rather than work alongside (in parallel) to others.

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    1. Phil P

      I think they are anti-feminists because of all the vitriol and hate that feminists spew with their Killallmen hashtags and “I bath in male tears” insignia. Also feminists makeup statistics about rape and the pay gap. It’s annoying. Oh and they co-opt the oppression of women in other countries with real problems, do nothing for them and use this aformentioned oppression as a means to justify their hatred of men.

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  6. Rhi

    I see that you’re only allowing feminist-friendly comments. 😉 My comment has been “awaiting moderation” for at least 5 hours and I see many comments that weren’t there before have gotten in before mine.

    Way to respect dialogue and other voices.

    *shakes head* Typical feminist.

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  7. Shane

    Oh dear lord.

    More stupid, idiotic Feminism.
    Same old tired nonsense.

    The “unicorn” like paygap, something which at this stage has about as much credibility as the flat earth theory. A mythical rape culture where feminists make places like Canada to be on a par with the Congo for rape stats.

    Utter nonsense like this..

    “Have you ever noticed how comedy panel shows usually only have one female panellist compared to 4-5 male ones?”

    Yup. There’s a good reason for that: they’re not just funny.

    Oh what, you think that’s sexist?

    Nope, it’s a fact. The numbers don’t lie.

    Show me all these hilariously funny women rocking comedy clubs around the world. You’ll have a hard time finding them, because like the “unicorn” like paygap, they don’t exist either.
    Oh sure, you’ll find the odd one for every 10-15 men, maybe. and I’m probably being generous with that little stat..

    The late, great Christopher Hitchens breaks down why this in in his video “Why women aren’t funny”. Women ain’t funny because they’ve no need to be.

    Men are funny because in order for us to mate, we have to be charming and funny in order to be attractive to women (amongst a gazillion other things)

    Ever ask a woman what qualities she finds attractive in a man? GSOH will usually be there or thereabouts. Men, being the logical creatures that we are, then develop our sense of humor to be more attractive to women.

    Ever ask a man what he finds attractive in a woman? Nice ass, nice boobs, nice body, nice face, someone pleasant to be around. That’s all we really want.
    Women, consciously or unconsciously, respond in kind.
    The old maxim “keep his belly full and his balls empty” is all that’s needed to keep a man happy.

    The numbers just don’t lie. Relative to men, there are few funny women.
    Do funny women exist? Yes, and I’m sure you can rattle off a few names to “prove” me wrong.

    Are there numbers even similar to men’s? Not by a long shot.

    And its not because of the big, bad patriarchy keeping them down,either. Its because most women simply aint funny (cue feminazi’s hamster’s spinning furiously “Oh you evil misogynist! I know LOADS of women who are funny!!!)

    Yep, and I know plenty of black KKK members as well.

    Onto this little dinger…

    “How a lot of newspapers and advertising campaigns will use a sexualised or pornographic image of a woman to sell news or products that have nothing to do with sex?”

    Sex sells. Get over it. It aint never, ever gonna change. Both for men and women. Oh you’ve a problem with that? Well, you’re gonna have to get all 7 billion of us into a feminazi indoctrination camp and re-wire our brains so they aren’t influenced by sexual imagery.

    But good luck with that one. I wouldn’t put it past the average feminist to attempt something like that though.

    Once again, feminism shows itself up to the warped, bankrupt ideology it really is.
    And I haven’t even begun to touch on some of the other rank insanity contained elsewhere in this post. I’d need a millennium to trawl through it all.

    Please, do us a favor and go away and die. It looks its finally starting to if these sane, rational anti-feminist women are anything to go by.

    But it’s a long way to go by the looks of you nutcases.

    Shane

    P.S. Usually when you call feminazi’s out on their crap and their tired ideology is exposed for the nonsense it really is, as a desperate last resort they resort to shaming ad-hominems.

    Like small dick,
    Or perhaps basement dwelling weirdo with Mommy issues.
    Virgin who has trouble getting laid is another! Haha!

    So feminists, for your riposte I ask you to get the shaming out of the way first. It’ll make it oh so easier.

    Toodles girls!

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  8. Carodwen Nightwillow

    Reblogged this on Pagan Conservative Chick and commented:
    You know what I find amazing about this article. Guilt shaming people who dare speak out against something they disagree with. Wikipedia talks about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation
    Ironically enough they refer to it as a for of “Psychological Manipulation”
    Weird. That such a free speech loving, tolerant movement would use manipulation to tell women they are wrong for not being like them.
    Another odd thing I find is how, if you request not to be seen or even associate with feminism, you know due to the volatile things seen here http://youtu.be/wPUvUYU7Qzw and here http://youtu.be/iARHCxAMAO0 as well as the two links here http://youtu.be/SIZTKcVKTYs and http://youtu.be/wPUvUYU7Qzw

    You see when women, especially the ones that stand for human equality, see speech censoring or just plain out disgusting things such as these, they make a almost nightmareish realization…. Feminism is a horrible ideology now. Because. and I say this will true sincerity. The women who then say “We’re not all like that” move on to call those people calling them out, ignorant, uneducated, and my favorite, ungrateful western world white privileged brats. (where do they come up with this crap. Seriously) Why is it when someone disagrees with something, not just in America (largely though) but everywhere, they start demeaning their character. Is feminism not about a woman’s choice to choose? or is that only in regards to pregnancy? And speaking of pregnancy why do they call Female Infanticide in America Pro-Choice? Are they not the same thing. Murdering a little girl? Or is that only in countries that don’t actively allow abortion (yet) I’m all for pro-choice, even though as a barren woman it breaks my heart that anyone can kill a lump of tissue that has the ability to develop a beating heart and create a tiny sound that says “I love you mom” I support your right to do that. Even though I would encourage you to use the massive amounts of birth control available to help that (I of course realize that doesn’t help a rape victim so please do not attack me for that. Because honestly how many abortions are due to rape?)

    Anyway. I just simply choose not to associate with the ideology anymore and I can still be for everything this article claims only a feminist can care about. Feminist do not run the world anymore and its high time they stop trying to silence those that dare think for themselves. Especially the woman. Because after all. Thanks to feminism we have the natural right to think independently without being told by some over privileged nobody telling us that we in fact are not allowed to do so.

    Thanks feminism. Your previous efforts are appreciated but the rattlesnakes have poisoned your course and its now slowly dying from the poison. I found my cure in the form of separation and individuality and free thought. Maybe try and remove the poison so you can thrive again? Be well be blessed and as always,

    Blessed Be.

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  9. Notreally

    While the sentiment in the post is generally admirable, the basic argument is the same as “Eat your peas; there are starving children in Africa.” As in the eat-your-peas argument, the author fails to connect the local behavior with the distant behavior in a causal way.

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    1. Phil P

      You said in a succinct manner all of my thoughts on this piece. Bravo to you. BRAVO TO YOU!!!!

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  10. The Grammar Nazi Feminist

    Yes you do. You also need punctuation.

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  11. Carin Arbman

    It must be some kind of joke. How can there even be such a thing called “Women against feminism”? It’s like there would be “Humans against humanity” or “Men against mankind”!

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  12. northwestfeminists

    Reblogged this on North West Feminists and commented:
    Great response to #womenagainstfeminsim movement. We would love to see an extra paragraph on life in the UK.

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  13. brijesh kumar

    i read the article and some of the comments too. the way human issue is dealt here is good enough and there is a need to sustain it forward.

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  14. ChangeTheWorld

    Reblogged this on Change the World and commented:
    This is a beautiful and well-written perspective. Thoughts like this can change the world, so I thought it would be appropriate to share on a blog intended to do just that.

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  15. José

    From what I read in the comments, there are legion of people still believing that the differences between men and women (women not having senior management positions as much as men, women dieting more than men, women liking “girly” things more than men, etc) are things iinherent to being a woman and not a product of how girls and boys are educated so differently since a very young age. They are marketed different products, bought different toys and trained in different skills to fulfill different roles.
    That’s what feminism is about. It is about denouncing that what is expected from men and women depends A LOT on their gender and not so much on their capabilities. We don’t want to push women onto management positions or into tech jobs. We want to tell little girls and boys that they are both capable of the same and that there’s no shame in liking computers or mechanics if you’re a girl or caring for babies and ccooking if you’re a boy. But take a look at toys ads and tell me what you see…

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  16. parthasadhukhan

    Lol..this article shows why feminism is so much flawed. A reply to this from India – http://parthasadhukhan.wordpress.com/2014/07/27/feminists-women-against-feminism-and-mrm/

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  17. Sharo

    Good grief…when did feminism become the problem? Just because some people who espouse the values are rather more evangelical than is comfortable doesn’t mean that all feminists have got it wrong. There are plenty of men who consider themselves feminists in as much as they believe in equality and sad to say this but even in middle class western society we do not yet have equality! And equality is not about sameness but is about valuing and celebrating the differences between people rather than gender stereotyping them. It is truly an ignorant person who believes that feminism isn’t necessary and until the day that society is equal, in value, in respect and in practice then I will proudly say that I am a feminist!

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  18. Julia

    Reblogged this on Women's Footwear in America and commented:
    Wow – waking up this morning and seeing all the tweets and posts on social media in response to the group Women Against Feminism – which is too disturbing to me on so many levels to go into, I’m reblogging this response from iwantedwings – A Geeky Feminist’s Musings on Visual & POP Culture. I wonder who is behind the anti feminist campaign and the motive? What do you think?

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  19. Dahlian Kirby

    I am a feminist, I know that terrible things happen to women in other countries because of their gender. I also know that terrible things happen in this country because of gender. I work one day each week counselling in a women’s refuge, believe me violence against women is common place in this country. Girls and women are still objectified by the media and many of them by their men. The many many cases of exploitative sex are seriously disturbing, and it appears that most young women in the UK feel they must have a man, know matter abusive he is. I think sexism is so entrenched in our culture we don’t even see it ( what man going to University would be happy to be awarded a spinster of science degree??) I am a feminist because I believe that all humans are equal. I aint scared of the f word!

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  20. Bemmy

    What the author of this post is missing is the value of things. What is most important in life. One of these and probably the most important is children. When I got pregnant with my first child, I was working 15, 16 hours a day. Not because I had to but because I wanted to. I was a programmer and would get working on a program and forget about the time. I was on a roll and didn’t want to stop till it was done. I loved my job. Then I got pregnant and developed a brain tumor and couldn’t work anymore. At first I was upset, but then after have the time to raise my child and have a few others, I realized how blessed I was. If it hadn’t have happened I would have gone back to work, and missed out on so much. Having that time with my children is so much more important than working. I was lucky when these so called feminists would berate me for “just being a mother” I had an excuse, I had a brain tumor. But I felt bad that I didn’t stand up for the other woman who were “just being a mother” and not working. That these feminists cowed me into thinking horrible of myself, even though I had an “excuse”. Why should I have to apologize for raising my children into well mannered nurtured loving adults? Kids today have no manners and have a sense of self entitlement. They learn it from their mothers. The mother drops her child off at a daycare and then when she comes to pick them up, the child says “Mrs. So and So wouldn’t let me play on the swingset “ so the mother get mads and say “My child needs to play.” But it was nap time and the daycare uses that to get ready for the next activity and can’t go outside to watch a single child leaving the others alone. But the mother won’t take that excuse and complains in front of the child giving the child the false sense of self entitlement. “My mommy says it’s okay.” So we get a bunch of bratty kids. Not their fault. They were just being a child who is being raised without a strong mother figure. I know there are mothers that have to work to support their family, I do feel for them but some mothers think they have to or they will be looked down on for “just being a mother”. I do feel the role of the woman being the caretaker and the man being the breadwinner started because it was the best way to raise children. Just some people, men and women took advantage of it. And don’t get me started on manners, I really miss having the door opened for me, having my chair pulled out, on public transportation have a man give me his seat, etc. Feminist took this away. As far as shaving, I do it because it makes me feel good. I dress the way I do (and I do dress outlandish) because it makes me feel good, I am almost 60 and I don’t give a damn about attracting a man but I love sticking on a yellow bow, throwing on bright colored clothing, and putting on gaudy costume jewelry. I look at myself and feel happy and love the feeling that others that look at me will smile. BTW men shave too. And the reason we are not some backwards country that treat people horrible (men, women and children) is because both women and men fought for what they thought was right, not just feminists. That we live in a country where the value of human life is appreciated. Where feminists are allow to exist not just because feminists exist. On my deathbed I am not going to be thinking “I fought for Women’s Rights and made mothers feel bad for being “just mothers” I will be thinking I love and enjoy my children and I made people happy, and stood up for human rights, all humans.

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  21. vegangsterARNP

    feminism is FECKING NEEDED. the feminism that equates to equality of all. I especially hate that we are returning to a time of women SEEN AS BREEDING MACHINES. disgusting.

    OLD WHITE MEN are to blame for all the ills of the world. let’s agree.

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  22. ccapel

    Reblogged this on Charlie Capel's Blog and commented:
    I often find that when I tell people I am a feminist they seem shocked. I don’t know whether this is because they think as a man I should not be, or whether they see it as an extreme point of view. I believe that this post explains the latter. Feminism is not ‘men-bashing’, or about female supremacy. It is an acceptance that todays world unfairly promotes the interests of men, and that the status quo is not acceptable.

    Anyway…back to Uganda.

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  23. peachcreation

    Great blog! Fed up of being told ‘women are equal now’! I’m a white western woman and have experienced sexism throughout my life in so many ways. We have long a way to go not just for ourselves but for our sisters around the world.

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  24. Pam Smith

    Reblogged this on The Virtual Vicar and commented:
    A great response here to the recent #womenagainstfeminism phenomenon.

    If you are the fortunate position not to need feminism, then you should thank a feminist who went before you and stood up for rights you take for granted.

    And if you don’t know any women who still need to fight for their rights, maybe you need to get out more!

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  25. guiat

    When are you moving to fight for the rights of Pakistani, Nigerian and other women around the world? oh right you just need to scream at this girls/women because they recognize that feminism or better yet Humanism is need around the world but there is no need for it in western countries, is that your “Feminist Fight and Struggle”?

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  26. Paul

    Here is the REAL point that need to be made. Think how bloody lucky you are to live in the west where you dont have to put up with all the REAL crimes and horrors, be lucky and thankful instead of moaning and cursing about how you dont have it just how you want in the west and being so ungrateful with your femenist nonsense! This is not femenism in its modern form. it’s crazed women trying to destroy the lives of men with ridiculous historic “sex assualt” allegations! The only reason the media (owned by men) give these whining nutters the time of day in the media is because it suits their warped and twisted agenda of complete repression and control of society and men in particular! You are just pawns in a sick agenda you nutcases!

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  27. Rob Clark

    Sorry not had chance to read all the comments, but a friend posted this to me on Facebook, and I thought I would post my reply.

    Strange. How can a woman be against feminism? They would be like a person being against Civil rights, surely?

    I’m sure they think they are fighting people who think they have an alternative argument, but actually they are fighting people who think their not the brightest bulbs in the box. Somebody should ask them the obvious question, “Do you believe you as a woman, is equal to a man?”, if the answer is “yes”, then the repose should be, “well sit down and shut up, your a feminist then”.

    I think what these people are saying is that people can use feminism for agendas that perhaps go beyond just simple equality, and also peruse women who choose (< very important word) life styles perhaps seen as more traditional. But that is not to be against feminism. They've chosen the wrong title.

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  28. Sandy

    I think your article is great- thank you for writing it. It takes a lot of guts to stand up for what you believe in, especially in a place as unforgiving as the internet. I also admire that people are having an honest and intellectual debate underneath it as opposed to resorting to unjustified abuse, something that makes a lot of pro-feminist comments contributors to the popular perception of feminism as aggressive!

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  29. Douglas McGregor

    We take freedom and equal rights as part of life but… thank you for reminding me of the harsh reality which is exercised and exists amongst us.

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  30. karisews

    Reblogged this on Sometimes I Can't Shut Up and commented:
    Just wanted to put this here, because I found it interesting.

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  31. Emily

    A lot of the “anti-feminist” movement is based on conservative Christianity saying that feminism goes against the whole, “wives, submit to your husbands” bit. Rush Limbaugh has been calling feminists “feminazis” for quite some time (which demonstrates a lack of knowledge of left- vs. right-wing ideology, as well as a blatant callousness toward people who actually suffered at the hands of Nazis, who were extremely misogynistic.) Pat Robertson said, “The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.” Socialism, lesbianism, witchcraft, and child murder? If you believed this, you probably wouldn’t want to be a feminist. I mean, socialism, lesbianism, and witchcraft are fine according to many people, (no? Just me?) but everybody jumps off the feminism ship when you get to child murder. But it’s crazy misogynistic propaganda like this that says, yeah, you DO need feminism. Because if a U.S. male not only believes this with all his nasty little heart AND has a platform to reach millions with his message, yeah. You. Need. Feminism. The anti-feminist movement has gained a lot of traction along with the rise in conservative Christianity hijacking the media and politics. People have so much information thrown at them by so many methods, they’re not always even sure where they heard/saw what. A lot of women probably think that we live in some post-feminist era and we’ve advanced so far that we don’t need some kind of compensatory structure like feminism anymore. But where did they get that idea? Are they entirely sure they thought all the facts through and came up with it themselves? Or did they get these media messages in the ether like everybody else and think it wasn’t Inceptioned in at all? Have they really moved beyond feminism, or are they just brainwashed into working against their own best interests? Don’t feel bad if you’re brainwashed. Happens all the time. But don’t STAY brainwashed. That’s what the media conglomerates want. That’s what the social/fiscal conservative conglomerate wants. And they’re misogynistic as hell. If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention. And if you’re not paying attention, you’re probably not a feminist.

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  32. Chelle

    I wouldn’t call myself a feminist but I do agree with many of the ideals behind the movement. I live in Canada and lost my job two years ago when I came back from Maternity leave. Their reasoning was that they “didn’t want to upset the status quo.” I was told it had nothing to do with my performance. They put someone older, who wasn’t going to have any more children in my role. The lawyers told me it wasn’t worth the fight, as Human Rights cases would take years and the courts would probably not award me money as I was able to find another job in a short time frame. The lawyers told me this happens all the time but there isn’t much women can do. The laws don’t protect us the way we think they do. I had always assumed I was safe in my country, even after taking gender studies courses in university, I lived a privileged life and was satisfied with what I had…. My world was rocked and I will never take my job, my money or my role in this world lightly. For anyone who thinks we don’t need to fight for equality in the western world, you are wrong. Women are beaten down every day (figuratively and literally), we just don’t hear about it. I have neighbors who won’t speak to me because in their culture I am inferior, it is not just in other countries, its right on our doorsteps.

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  33. meetu1lifemeetu

    So true. such hard fought wins, are taken for granted. The right to study, to own property. as basic asthis. Third world problems are not just third world problems. Thanks to feminists worldwide, especially from developed countries, we can aspire to more equality. a better, more equal world is better for everybody, no?

    I have had arguments with my friends, indian women who, wile they diss feminism, have no problems in categorising all males as jerks. apparently when a relationship doesn’t work out, and a female is “dumped” all men are jerks for these anti-feminists. All they want is a romantic relationship. As a feminist i couldn’t care less about the who leaves who and i know lots of men who are fabulous. there are as many good men as there are women.

    Victims of domestic violence in India approach feminist run ngos who are the only people who will help. any legal angle individual women don’t understand, they will approach a feminist group. feminists help women just as environmentalists help preserve the environment, or child protection agencies help children. they are needed by people who happen to be women. The subject of ignoring male issues or issues of global warming doesn’t arise. anyway. may our tribe increase.

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  34. Our Existence

    Now that’s called Empowering 🙂

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  35. Jan-Åke Jönsson

    Feminism Was Created To Destabilize Society, Tax Women and set up the New World Order http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCpjmvaIgNA

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  36. Jemima

    I agree with what has been said here, however I feel that the problems that are highlighted here are much more complex than gender inequality alone. The injustice in other cultures is devastating, but then we can’t simply impose our western values on others- even politically, it simply doesn’t work to assume that democracy is the system that would work and is desirable in other countries. Education is the key for men and women so that they have the means of reinterpreting their cultural rules and create a fairer society under their own regime. Rape is often not about sex or desire for a girl at all, but a means of humiliating the girl AND THE MALE MEMBERS OF HER FAMILY. (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/19/gangs-rape-lists-sex-assault)

    Equally, while women are subjected to “newspapers and advertising campaigns” that “will use a sexualised or pornographic image of a woman to sell news or products that have nothing to do with sex”- the author of this post seems to think that it applies to women only. Such a way of thinking assumes that all men must be sexual monsters while all women must be potential victims. I’m not denying that the pornography industry is nasty, but in terms of advertising, men are equally sexualised. What about the Diet Coke advert for instance, where a hunky gardener strips his shirt off for a group of girls in the park. Much of the advertising, unlike pornography, are incredibly light hearted and the ‘sexualized imagery’ is honestly more like a mild flirtation which both sexes enjoy.

    If the ‘feminist’ movement is going to do any good work in other countries, it needs to sort itself over here first by working with men (many of whom would also consider themselves ‘feminist’) and not against them. Then it needs to learn more about other cultures and work out how to make a change from inside the system, rather than declaring war on it and making feminism an enemy to other countries.

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  37. Maddison

    Why can’t everyone just get along on these type of sites…. Everyone has valid opinions and why can’t we just be nicer to each -other.

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  38. Abi Burlingham

    I really wanted to respond to ‘Women Against Feminism’ as it enraged me, but I somehow couldn’t find the right words / way of doing so. I’m so glad you have so powerfully found a way and I hope it makes people re-think. Feminism is like religion – in the wrong hands it can be distorted. It should never be about women being better than men, or about women playing the victim, or about ‘man hate’. It should be about women not being viewed as sexual objects or not feeling that they have to live up to someone else’s views of them, about women having the same choices as men, about liberation. A wonderful post and I’m so glad so many have shared it.

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  39. Rubik’s Planet

    I am a man and I support feminism because I’m fed up of being stereotyped. There is a tremendous amount of prejudice concerning the definition of acceptable male behaviour. Men can’t cry, men can’t show emotion, all men are bastards. men sexually objectivise women. In many situations, eg sexual harassment cases, child care cases there is a great deal of prejudice against men. When you hear about a man beating up a woman do you ever think what emotional hell has that guy been through to make him beat up the woman he loves? Do you want to understand what drives men to be like that? He is told by society to be strong, to be a man, to provide for his family but many things are beyond his control – even though we are in a patriarchy where the system is biased towards him. He is a failure! A woman can blame oppression or the patriarchy. A man is only allowed to blame himself, but to do so is to admit failure. Thus he is in a no win situation. He tries to control what he can. Domestic violence, gender bias in the work place, racism, other kinds of prejudice are all tackled by feminism. Although it is primarily about women I see true feminism as being about humans. It is great that some women are now enjoying great freedoms. that proves that progress has been made! but there is a long way to go before everyone sees themselves primarily as an equal member of the human race regardless of race, gender or sexuality.

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  40. Ashley

    There are many assumptions being made in this article; many fair points too. However, it is risky to create a black and white argument on extrapolated interpretations of a very deep and complicated word.

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  41. Jellybean

    As much as I regard myself a liberal feminist quite comfortably, this blog is highly speculative that these people within this movement are against the liberation of women as a whole, which is actually a little hysterical. Most ardent feminists that I see active on social networks solely focus on Western feminism; that Robin Thicke song got more angry complaints than any global issue affecting women over the last year. As much as I regard myself as a feminist, I can’t help but notice how it can be manipulated into almost banal rent-a-mobs. There are far more constructive ways to help anyone affected by gender equality than just saying shit on twitter.

    I think that’s why a lot of people feel jaded in regards to the new wave of the feminist movement. Recently it’s felt hollow and directionless, with a bunch of dumb social media wars to boot.

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  42. Alan Fish

    In much of the third world (and in sizable chunks of the first two worlds too) the word “Feminism” is appropriate because gender inequality manifests itself as blatant and extreme oppression of women. In the west the oppression is not so extreme and the political key to further improvement is that men need to learn that gender equality is good for them, too – men’s lives also suffer from gender stereotyping. Full sexual equality will only be realized when both sexes perceive it to be in their interests. Of course, we address the worst problems first, and the west needs to support the rest of the world in ridding itself of gross misogyny.

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  43. Mick

    Take religion out of the equation.

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  44. Laura Wilkinson

    Reblogged this on Laura Wilkinson and commented:
    Yes, yes, yes, yes, YES. Read and share please.

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  45. Mark

    Something which bemuses me is why this is labeled feminism, rather than sexual equality, or merely equality. I whole heartedly agree that people of different sexes, orientation, race, religion etc should receive equal treatment globally. However, the feminist movement, from my fairly impartial point of view, often comes across as trying to put women above, rather than alongside, men. To me, this is a symptom of the misnomer. Talk of sexual equality is unambiguous. Talk of feminism spans a huge range of people, and the more radical feminists are always liable to give the movement a bad name.

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  46. Accenthub – A Response to ‘Women Against Feminism.’

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  47. Georgia

    Acknowledging the poor quality of life that other women beyond the Western world have, I feel that the “I don’t need Feminism” movement has been taken out of context. While the statement is generalised, I believe it refers to specific groups on tumblr who engage in one-upmanship behaviour to argue who is the most oppressed. This is something that has been happening on tumblr for a while now. It’s cool and hip to outdo each other and feminist arguments are often abused by these people in the attempts to do so. Such feminist advocates will often bully other women into their ideals (is this truly feminism?) and send provocative threats if another user attempts to challenge their position. They may even go out of their way to find such individuals. Please note that I am aware not all feminists engage in this ridiculous behaviour. So yes, the statement “I don’t need feminism” is admittedly ill-informed in a way as I feel it was intended to provoke a particular group of social justice warriors on tumblr – but possibly other social networking websites too.

    Personally, I identify as egalitarian. I appreciate that feminism has done many things for women in Western society to be in the position they are today. But I am not afraid to acknowledge that men also lack some privileges and rights that feminism has created. Who acknowledges that men are also victims of domestic violence? Who acknowledges men can also be raped? Why don’t people acknowledge that there is a pressure for men to internalise everything? Men are far more likely to commit suicide than women. OP is correct in pointing out developing countries which need to address social treatment of women. However I just don’t agree with Western women who try to justify their right to something based on themselves being oppressed. If, for example, you are someone who thinks domestic violence can only be caused by men, you are such a person.

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  48. A comment awaiting moderation | Mein Senf

    […] that feminism is all and only about equality. Reading through #womanagainstfeminism I found this Blogpost I commented there on […]

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  49. Gemma M Freeman (@GemmaFreeman)

    Incredibly powerful, moving piece – thanks so much for putting your heart out there to write this and paint the reality. In blood-stained, shocking, deathly reality. I will share this wide & far as a I can.
    Also – if anyone wants to learn more I highly recommend Stanford University’s FREE online course International Women’s Health and Human Rights – covers many of the issues here, but gives you the academic stats and data to back yourself up. Also educational, inspirational and very eye opening (I am a keen new student – no affliation or relationship with the Uni at all before you ask): http://www.internationalwomenshealth.org/
    Education is power – embrace the rapidly growing mass online open course phenomena as much as you can 🙂

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  50. enaevolare

    Reblogged this on σяรi'ร вℓσg and commented:
    I say, get a life, both camps instead of faking you know something GENERAL based on PERSONAL experience. “I don’t need it ’cause I don’t wanna see myself as a victim.” “I need it ’cause I feel the confinement of the housewife role.” So what? Hurt those who think differently and have different experiences? Congratulations, those women who have managed to create a stable identity in this world, but personally, I think the core idea of feminism is needed. Still, I don’t scapegoat, I don’t attack the views of other people. And that is the difference between You and Me.

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