A Response to ‘Women Against Feminism.’

Imagine this:

The year is 2014. You are a white Western woman. You wake up in the morning in a comfortably sized house or flat. You have a full or part-time job that enables you to pay your rent or mortgage. You have been to school and maybe even college or university as well. You can read and write and count. You own a car or have a driver’s licence. You have enough money in your own bank account to feed and clothe yourself. You have access to the Internet. You can vote. You have a boyfriend or girlfriend of your choosing, who you can also marry if you want to, and raise a family with. You walk down the street wearing whatever you feel like wearing. You can go to bars and clubs and sleep with whomever you want.

Your world is full of freedom and possibility.

Then you pick up a newspaper or go online. You read about angry women ranting about sexism and inequality. You see phrases like ‘rape-culture’ and ‘slut-shaming.’ You furrow your brow and think to yourself: ‘What are they so angry about? There is no such thing as sexism anymore.’

Now imagine this:

The year is 2013. You are a 25 year-old Pakistani woman. A few months ago, you married the man you love. A man you choose for yourself. You are also pregnant with his child. You see your life stretching out before you, filled with hope and happiness. Suddenly, you and your husband are dragged away from each other. You are both beaten with bricks and batons. You can’t fight back. You can’t escape. No one comes to help you. Through your fading vision, you look up, and look into the eyes of one of your assailants: into the eyes of your father.

The year is 2013. You are a 23 year-old Indian woman. You are a physiotherapy student with a promising career ahead of you. You are sitting on a private bus travelling home alone on a warm December evening. You gaze out of the window as the buildings of New Dheli rush past you and feel content. Suddenly, a blunt force hits the back of your head and you fall to the floor of the bus. A group of strange men are standing over you. They bring the metal bar down on you again and again and again until all you can taste is the blood filling up your mouth. You pray that you will die soon. And you do, but not then. You are raped, beaten, and tortured over and over again. Death is slow and agonising.

The year is 2014. You are a 13 year-old girl from Niger. You no longer live there though. You are now living in the neighbouring country Nigeria, sitting alone in small room on a small bed in a small apartment high above the city of Kano. You are not allowed to leave. Your stomach is swollen from the unwanted life growing inside of it. You had no choice. The father is a man in his 40s. He is a businessman. He has bought you as his wife. You were a penniless, uneducated girl when he came for you. You don’t know of any life you could have had. Neither did your family: just one less mouth for them to feed. You still have the body of a child, and it’s straining under the pressure from the one inside of you. You feel like you’re about to be split in two. You don’t wonder if you will survive the birth. A part of you doesn’t want to.

These are fictionalised accounts of real events that have happened to real women living in our world today. They follow the past 250 years of women and men campaigning for women to be given equal rights to men to prevent these kinds of injustices and abuses on the grounds of gender taking place. Over the course of this time, campaigners – Feminists, both female and male – have been locked up, beaten, tortured, and even killed, in the pursuit of equality. They did this with pen and ink and print; they did this with their voices; they did this with their bodies; they did this with art and music; they did in courts of law and halls and houses of government that they fought be to allowed into.

They did this so that women would no longer been seen as property, livestock, breeding machines, sex objects, punching bags, or infantile morons. They did this not just for themselves, but also for their daughters, and their daughters, and their daughters for generations to come. They did this for women they would never meet – women who lived across countries, across vast oceans, across the entire globe, and even across time.

They did this so that women like me – a white Western woman – could attend school and university; to learn to read, write, and think critically; to gain a degree; to get a job and be paid an equal salary to a man in the same position; and to sit here with my own computer and type all of this.

Feminism is a movement for freedom, equality, choice, love, compassion, respect, solidarity, and education. We may argue, we may disagree, we may struggle to understand the choices and perspectives of others sometimes, but these core beliefs of the movement have never changed, and they never will.

That is why I am a Feminist.

If you feel that you have so far lived your life unaffected by even the mildest form of sexism – anything from feeling uncomfortable when a man catcalls you in the street, to feeling scared walking home alone at night in a secluded area – and are treated with love and respect by every man in your life, then to you I say: I’m glad for you. If you don’t think you need feminism, then that is a victory for the movement. You have fulfilled all those dreams that every suffragette being force-fed in prison and every ‘witch’ burnt at the stake dreamed you would one day.

But perhaps take a second to consider the life of the Pakistani woman who was beaten to death by her own family for marrying a man of her choosing. Or the life of the Indian woman who was raped, beaten, and murdered on a bus by a gang of men. Or the life of the little girl in Niger who was sold to a man more than twice her own age and forced to carry a baby that may kill her to deliver. Do they still need feminism?

And perhaps take a second to consider this too: Even in our liberal, Western world, why do women still only fill 24% of senior management jobs? Why are more women than men domestically abused or even killed every week at the hands of their male partner or ex-partner? Why is there still a pay gap (in the UK specifically) of 15% for women doing the same jobs and working the same hours as men?

And what about on a cultural level? Have you ever noticed how comedy panel shows usually only have one female panellist compared to 4-5 male ones? That almost every dieting product on the market is solely aimed at women? How a lot of newspapers and advertising campaigns will use a sexualised or pornographic image of a woman to sell news or products that have nothing to do with sex?

Or perhaps on a personal level: Do you choose to wear certain clothes because you want to or because you feel ‘unfeminine’ if you don’t? Do you choose to cover yourself up because you want to or because you feel ashamed or intimidated by a man looking at your body? Do you shave your legs and underarm hair because you want to or because you will look ‘ugly’ if you don’t? Did you parents dress you in pink as a baby because they liked the colour or because you were born a girl? Do you want to have children because you want to or because you are a woman?

When you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning, do you see yourself through your own eyes, or through the eyes of the men that will look at you when you walk out the door?

The fact is, like it or not, you still live a world where gender matters. Where gender controls not just the entire course of your life – but the lives of women all over the world. Every second, a child will be born female in a country where she will persecuted for this random biological occurrence for the rest of her life. So before you hold up your anti-Feminist placard proudly and smile at your own sense of empowerment, think not what Feminism can do for you, but what it can do for that one girl. She needs someone to stand up for her. That someone could be you.

UPDATE: Click here to read my follow up to this article: ‘Equalism: The Feminist Alternative?’


This is a response to ‘Women Against Feminism’ groups on Tumblr and Facebook.

The stories of the women mentioned in this post were sourced from these sites:

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2014/05/29/pakistani-woman-stoned-to-death-for-marrying-a-man-of-her-own-choosing/

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2013/01/02/indias-tipping-point-death-of-rape-victim-sparks-global-outrage/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27619295

Other facts and statistics were sourced from here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/international-womens-day-2014-the-shocking-statistics-that-show-why-it-is-still-so-important-9177211.html

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  1. Garrett

    I gotta say. The feminism movement failed when they decided to call it “femenism”. The term calls for equality amongst people and yet, with this term they put men higher up on a scale. If you want equality we should be fighting for a movement called “humanism”. Feminism strictly looks at one side. True that women aren’t treated the same way, but if you fight as human the chance of equality the argument increases tenfold. Good luck on your quest

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  2. totoro victoria

    I’m so tired of the “you were dressed in pink” or you did other girl-like things. Give it a break already. We all have gendered lives. Gender is biologically based. Transgendered folks would not be fighting so hard for gender identity if it wasn’t.

    As far as feminism – not interested. How about humanism? Humanism would allow us to recognize gender discrimination and inequality affecting all people, not just women. “Feminism” by its name makes men feel excluded and like the bad guys. Making it a women’s issue is disempowering to men and to transgendered individuals in my opinion.

    The issues of inequality and violence given are terrible. I would suggest that feminism might be a good movement in these areas where radical change is needed. I think it is just fine to distinguish between these areas and areas which have had a lot of social change like western Europe and North America.

    And yes, I’m a university educated female who happily shaves her legs but doesn’t wear pink all that much.

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  3. totoro victoria

    And I do agree that gender is also socially constructed. I just don’t have that much of an issue with the current state of society on that front as there has been a lot of progress. And, again, what about all the expectations and social norms placed on men!

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  4. Dolorez Niazi

    A lot of good stuff……………. & a shit load of crap! I only wish that I had time to read it all.

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  5. ak310i

    Reblogged this on Two Start-ups & A Baby.

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  6. Ant

    So here we have it, another rant about the inequality of gender, men getting having their wicked way with women, men oppressing women with their eyes, men judging women, men controlling women’s actions, men disliking an “easy” women, men taking all the women’s jobs, men being paid more, men having more opportunities than women, men having a “better” quality of life than women, men having more freedom in both their actions and their state of mind.

    You are wrong, and you don’t seem to realize this.

    I’m talking strictly about the western world here, to be blunt, if you feel gender equality should be fought for in other nations, bloody well go over there and do something about it instead of writing articles on the internet, be that powerful western woman you dream of being and show the world what you’ve got.

    Going back to the point about western “feminism” and “equality”.

    I am a man, a strong, tall, good looking man.

    I am judged, I am judged day in day out by all those that I meet, men judge me, they see me as competition or as a threat, they insult or attempt to belittle me because I am what I am, I am interrupted when talking to women by men with snide comments, because they become jealous.

    Gay men flirt with me, follow me, stalk me, watch me constantly, tell me things I don’t want to hear, I have had a man attempt to rape me, I have had men attempt to coerce me.

    Women judge me, they look for my flaws if I don’t flirt with them or make an effort with them, they rant and moan behind my back because they aren’t the one I have chosen to be with, I am subject to the gaze of those around me, the people I work with, the people I drink with, the people I socialize with, I am judged.

    I must perform beyond the expectations of any others within my job, I must work harder, be faster, be more consistent and more precise, because I am built the way I am, because I have shown that I can lift more, because when others are tired I am not, I am asked to go above and beyond the expectations of any women.
    I am paid the same.

    I am considered a “player”, I am considered to be a risky investment, I am judged upon every girl I look at, I do not sleep around, I enjoy flirting and having female friends, I am judged because I attract attention of others.
    I am judged.

    I am insecure, I am aware of all of these things, I am aware that I am observed, spoken about, thought about, looked upon, I attract stalker behavior, I have my arse squeezed when I’m out for a drink, I have my crotch grabbed at, I have women and men asking me to remove my clothes so they may see my body.

    I work out, not to attract the attention of others, but to justify the attention I already receive and have received since I was a young man, it is a release for me, a way to explain the judgement and behavior I have received all my life, because I am me.

    I take care of my appearance, not because I want to attract the attention of others, but because I am already observed and judged, I must be something that I am perceived to be, If I don’t do xyz It is commented upon, I am judged.

    You speak of “feminism” as if it is simply women that are subject to the oppression and judgement of others, perhaps you should open your eyes to the reality that is this world is not made of equals, people are judged upon their qualities, their attributes, their abilities.

    If you don’t want to be judged for not shaving your legs, I don’t want to be judged for not shaving my beard, if you don’t want to be paid less than a man, I don’t want to be paid the same as a women when I can do things faster and for a longer duration than she.
    If you don’t want men catcalling at you, I don’t want women hollering at me to remove my clothes, if you don’t want men grabbing your bum when you’re in a bar, I don’t want women grabbing my crotch when I’m in a bar.

    You need to understand that when you are the subject of the thoughts or attention of others, they are going to perceive you in ways you might not like, they may even act upon it, if you are a majority and you are subject to this kind of behavior then maybe instead of complaining about it you should make it work for you, don’t take the bad, take the good.

    Not all people are treated as equal, because not all people are the same.

    I love that I am a tall, strong, good looking man, I take pride in that fact.
    I love my job and I don’t complain about my performance having to be higher than that of others, I take pride in that fact.
    I love that other men consider me a threat and attempt to belittle me, I take pride in that fact.
    I love that women feel the need to complain about me to each other, I take pride in that fact.
    I love that gay men are attracted to me, I take pride in that fact.
    I love that a man felt I was so attractive he tried to rape me, I take pride in that fact.
    I love that I must maintain my physique, I take pride in that fact.
    I love that both men and women ask me to remove my clothes, i take pride in that fact.

    I take pride in being who I am every single day of my life, regardless of the reaction I provoke, I will find that women that I fall in love with and have my children and teach them the same level of humility and insight into life as I consider myself to have.

    I am not oppressed, I am liberated.

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  7. Sara

    Look at the feminist geared websites (xojane, Jezebel, as examples), media and the discussions they bring up. There is more discussion on free birth control, fat shaming, and rape (with exaggerated statistics) than on the actual struggles of women in other countries. You can say “but it means equal rights” but the movement has really shifted away from that one statement. Just because a woman is against this wave does not mean she is stupid or uneducated on the matter. I respect what women before me have fought for, and I do understand what feminism is supposed to mean, however I will not support a movement that thinks it’s empowering to sleep around and belittling to cook dinner for your husband. This wave is full of hypocrisy and entitlement.

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  8. carole Catron

    Yes, you are ignorant if you are against feminism. Feminism is the belief that women are equal to men. That’s it. So when people see you being antifeminist, you are telling the world women are lesser than men and deserve to be treated as such.

    Buy a clue. Entitled and elitist is the person who thinks they don’t need femism, because they have benefitted from it.

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  9. yellowandblackmail

    Reblogged this on yellowandblackmail and commented:
    Callin’ out the B.S. This article very nicely destroys the “Women Against Feminism” argument.

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  10. lizzybee1234567

    thats sad

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  11. rami ungar the writer

    I read “The Feminine Mystique” for class back in spring and it was a mind-blower. I was already a feminist then, but what I learned about (what was then) contemporary conditions made me realize how fortunate women are today and how we still have a lot of work to do. Back in the 50’s and preceding generations, women weren’t often encouraged to get an education, or at least not too rigorous an education. They would be considered unsuitable for marriage and children and end up alone if they did otherwise. Indeed, most of society believed women were best left in the home, and there were all sorts of “scientific” papers justifying why they should (all written by men).

    The women today who feel they don’t need feminism are taking its benefits for granted. It’s reminders like your post about the less fortunate women who need feminism that reminds us why we still need it. Thank you for your post.

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  12. kathy

    Very well written and thoughtful article, however feminism is sexist and outdated in my opinion. We should be supporting humanism and egalitarianism efforts for everyone not just women.

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  13. Azure James

    Why is feminism so darned popular on WordPress? I’m quite tired of it.

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  14. Siobhan

    Regardless of whether you choose to call yourself a feminist or an anti-feminist, can we all agree that these people asking why they should care about the suffering of people in other countries are pretty shitty human beings?

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  15. Dori

    Reblogged this on We are not meant to live forever. we are, however, meant to create something that will. and commented:
    I’m a feminist because people justify acting like this. I’m a feminist because, although the vast majority of women in the US are not treated this way, if ONE woman is dying for being who she wants to be, if ONE woman is being bought & raped & having a child she does not want to have, if ONE woman is being told her dreams don’t matter or her goals are too lofty “for a woman”, if ONE woman ANYWHERE is being treated like this, she needs someone to fight for her. I am a feminist because all women, everywhere, have the right to live the life they want to live, without fear or ridicule.

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  16. duobilinguilresearching

    Wow, as a male I can only agree. Gender equality and equality in general is something we should all strive towards.
    In the past decennia the western world has made tremendous progress. We should now be able to make this happen across the globe. We have a moral obligation to fight for freedom, equality and peace.

    However, what are we going to do? It breaks my heart for these three women, but it’s almost set in stone that the lifes of a pakistani woman is worth less than the life of a male. Especially in those countries. How do you solve this? How can you persuade entire governments to educate all children, give support to poor families, feed every mouth in the world because there is enough? How many of us have tried to do so and stumbled upon agression and death. To persuade an entire religion to support equal rights… we have alot of work ahead of us.

    Does any of us have an idea to accomplish this. I would certainly be willing to aid in the matter.

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  17. Anaïs

    http://www.dorffer-patrick.com/article-afghanistan-mini-jupe-et-robe-courte-a-kaboul-en-1970-119970519.html

    Click on this link to see a picture of 3 women in mini skirts cheerfully walking the streets of Kabul in the 70s.

    You should never take the rights and liberties you have today for granted. I’m pretty sure these women didn’t think they were going to have to cover up their bodies in burkas two decades later.

    We will never not need feminism. Feminists have fought hard to make the lives women can lead in Western societies today possible. And nobody can seriously tell me that the fight is over when, even in NYC, 40% of all crimes committed against women are cases of domestic violence (that figure obviously doesn’t include the countless cases not reported).

    The women behind the “womenagainstfeminism” movement are beyond ignorant. This reminds me of the famous quote by Albert Einstein: “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”

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  18. Josh Green

    The problems you point out, and the reasons you need feminism are more linked to ancient cultural practices and poverty, and the blight of religion. Feminism while an important movement is not going to solve poverty or rid the world of religion.

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  19. Alex

    White People: Despite Their Faults Still Doing Everything Better Than Everyone
    The argument, as you’ve framed it, makes the case that these people need Westernization, not feminism. Which isn’t necessarily wrong, but ideological feminism (and really, women in general) can ONLY thrive and grow in the context of the Western Liberal Intellectual Tradition.

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  20. SMC

    This whole against feminism thing frustrates me. Every time a man goes missing in Vancouver it is immediately reported in the media. How many woman had to go missing before there was any kind of inquiry and then the whole thing was a disaster? What about the women who are here in BC from other countries with their spouses who are being beaten, raped, killed etc because that’s the type of anti-feminism & anti-equality is rampant in their country of origin? I am and always will be feminist and no it does not mean I hate men. Every college professor, female and male has said we still live in a very patriarchal society because they study the institutions and societal systems in which we live. Yes men are abused and many should have more parental rights, and they are being objectified and that (as my understanding is) also what feminism fights for or at least I do.

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  21. Francisca

    Do you really think that women in western so called ‘developed’ countries are not subjected to sexism? Sexism is prevalent globally whether you live in Pakistan, India, USA or Australia. Female workers are constantly discriminated against even if they have the same qualifications as their male counterparts. They are statistically considerably underpaid for the same work done. Gender roles are still existing the world over. Just because in ‘developed’ countries the discrimination is not as blatant as in underdeveloped countries, does not mean it does not exist. Women are all in the same boat, here. Women should stop being their own enemy. Feminism is required for everyone, even men. Equality is the need of the hour.

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  22. Jackie

    Women fighting women over these matters is shameful. I like the idea of being a “humanist,” but just because I associate with being a feminist, does not mean I’m a male basher.

    I have been sexually abused by 3 generations of my family, raped at a party, and shunned and abandoned by family for reporting any of it. I was raised without a father, and left to a mother with mental illness that kept her from properly caring for me. I spent most of my time alone as a child and teen, or with older men.

    I was shown and taught that men made my worth. That I couldn’t live without one. I was made into an object to fulfill sexual fantasies of men who were suppose to protect me and love me in a healthy

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  23. Jackie

    Way.

    I am living proof that no, we are not where we should be concerning women’s rights to live free from oppression. We are second rate citizens. We aren’t taken seriously as leaders(hopefully Hilary will make headway in that arena) I was taught growing up, by women that we were too emotional and our monthly period would interfere with our rationality to make sound decisions in a power position like the presidential seat.

    Keep thinking, ” oh yeah, it’s not that bad. We are light years ahead of Africa.” But the truth is, we may be but we are settling because that what we were TAUGHT that we deserve and to stop complaining. Jesus Christ, I refuse to stop supporting a movement when I’m directly and daily affected by it not being progressed.

    If you’re happy where you’re at, kudos. But don’t criticize other women,esp if you are one, of their passion to continue fixing the issues. And don’t deny that they exist just because you don’t recognize or feel as though they’ve affected you personally. It’s ignorant and offensive.

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  24. Edward Galore

    Don’t think feminism is relevant or necessary? Read the comments of practically any article, blog, or status update, including this one, and you will see evidence of our society’s misogyny. The worst offenders are white, privileged men deluded into believing that it is men, not women, who bear the brunt of gender inequity,

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  25. Web Designers NOW Group

    No one has any right to tell anyone else how to live their life. Be who and what you want to be. Screw the rest of the idiots with closed minds.

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  26. Karen Alex (@karen_alex)

    I stand and applaud. Thank you.

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  27. zfem

    Thank you for such a well-measured and insightful response to the ‘women against feminism’ blog. Please keep sharing your important ideas.

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  28. Jennie Saia

    I came to thank you for writing this piece. I’m so very glad it was Freshly Pressed, and I hope you feel like it’s worth it to get this message to a broader audience, even if most of the voices you hear in the comments are reacting negatively.

    Please don’t worry too much about the commentors who verbally poke you for not addressing every possible angle, for making comparisons they don’t find to be 100% accurate, for not prostrating yourself before them to apologize for every stupid or hurtful thing that’s been said under the guise of feminism. All those jabs are a way of ignoring what makes them uncomfortable: that your points are incredibly valid (not to mention beautifully, movingly written). What you are advocating is a cause of love, justice, strength, and compassion. The only way to argue against such good ideals is to try and sidetrack the conversation.

    Your paragraph responding to women who really do feel absolutely free from sexism is a marvelous thing. You support them, although they think differently than you do, and you gently ask them to think just a little further outside their own world view, without any shame or anger implied. You are demonstrating feminism as it was meant to be, and I applaud you.

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  29. Kendall

    I think the WAF thing is definitely less related to worldwide problems and more towards the fact that everything on earth these days seems to get someone screaming rape culture. When Disney cant make a movie without getting bashed because what is supposed to be a fairy tale gets misconstrued as a story about rape (when the origins of fairy tales are much more brutal), Or when leagues of women take to the internet to demand that Fathers day be abolished because it promotes rape culture… That is taking things too far… Suddenly it becomes wrong to celebrate your family or enjoy a movie because it touches on something even vaguely offensive. That is not ok. If its wrong for me to take my father for brunch in June for helping to raise me, then is it wrong for me to take my mother for the same in May. WAF to me seems more about rebelling against that type of menality, and saying enough is enough, theyd just rather stick to the real issues such as those in less well off countries that you listed then listen to anymore of the crap that clogs the internet.

    I am aware that there are over zealous bad apples in every lot. Maybe the writer of this article needs to look at that as well.

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  30. An excellent response to the new ‘women against feminism’ phenomenon, courtesy of Iwantedwings. | zfem
  31. Pete

    I find the example from Pakistan particularly irritating, because the man in that scenario would suffer EXACTLY the same fate as the woman: a beating and possible honour killing from his family. Forced marriage and honour violence are not only or even mainly committed against women. They are truly terrible, but nothing to do with gender.

    I find your example from Africa pretty annoying too. Yes, it is try that girls are sold off to terrible lives by their families in backward countries. However, it’s hardly a walk in the park for the boys either, who are also destined to a life of grimy destitution. The solution to this problem is economic development, not feminism: allow the country to grow richer, and children will have a better life.

    If you’re going to single out individual cases of abuse and use this to demonstrate gendered oppression, what about child soldiers? It is little boys, not girls, who are given drugs and forced to kill each other. Does that mean we should all start campaigning to stop the oppression of men? Of course not – it means we should try to make Africa a more stable, democratic place.

    For reference, this is the video that converted me away from feminism:

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  32. Lili Horvath

    Reblogged this on lili's blog and commented:
    I am so bloody happy that someone wrote this down. This is what feminism’s lacking, us examining and underlining every single way women are and have been mistreated for centuries, in one place, and making people understand that if they did their research, they would be bloody angry too.

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  33. shadowalking

    Thank you for the article. Well written, and coming from the age I do, we needed feminism when the movement started, and we still need it. Until we really do have true equality, we need feminism. And to you out there that think we don’t: Do you really want to go back to a time when abortion was illegal, when women died in the desperation of aborting themselves with a coat hanger, or a knitting needle, or in the case of my aunt, a piece of slippery elm? Do you want to go back to a time when you were considered too stupid, too emotional to vote? Do you enjoy making 75 cents of ever dollar a man makes for the same job?

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  34. disenchantedscholar

    Reblogged this on Philosophies of a Disenchanted Scholar and commented:
    How dare you bring witch burnings into this, you atrocious excuse for a human being. Why not bring in the Holocaust while you’re at it? Holodomor? Move to those countries and quit fucking around on the internet morally posturing if you want to change something, instead of bothering the rest of us passive aggressively.
    Read some non-feminist, unbiased statistics while you’re at it (try AVFM because newsflash: most men aren’t rapists you silly little girl). Btw, it’s colonial invasion to impose our values on other cultures, and you think sexism is ok (all women together) but races aren’t? Race is a bigger consideration in cultural behaviour than sex and moral relativism means they’re entitled to treat their women however those women allow themselves to be treated, you fascist bigot (or are Western Christianized values *superior*?)

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    1. iwantedwings

      Thank you for taking the time to read my article.

      I have approved practically every comment I have received on this article – even those I didn’t agree with – in the interest of preserving a fair, two-sided debate, but I was very close to deleting yours and I want you to know that this was not because I disagree with what you wrote (although I do disagree) but because of the nasty, personal name-calling you have decided to resort to. Whilst “atrocious excuse for a human being” and “fascist bigot” are bad enough, “silly little girl” is the one I find particularly personally offensive.

      I appreciate that you do not agree with my opinions. I appreciate that you have opinions of your own. I do not, however, appreciate being patronised on the grounds of my gender. I am not a girl. I am a woman. I am not a child. I am an adult. I will not be dismissed, silenced, talked down to, or patronised purely for being female.

      I would therefore like to offer you the opportunity to re-post your comment minus the personal and offensive name-calling I have pointed out, otherwise I may delete your original comment entirely from my blog.

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      1. disenchantedscholar

        Delete, cba to edit

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  35. Stephen

    This is a terrible article.

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  36. sewa247

    Great article. It expresses the notions of feminism clearly with illustrated examples of why we still need feminism. If anti-feminists still don’t get it after reading this article, I don’t know what will. When will the penny drop?!
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  37. michealdebarra

    The lot of women in much of the third world is terrible in many cases. And in the cases you mention, which are unfortunately far too common, even more so. But to reduce it to a discussion on feminism I think is to do a disservice to the debate. The issues as I see it (and living in the Middle East as I do) relate more to low levels or total absence of education, corruption, poverty and a fundamentalist stone age view of the predominant religion in many regions. So called ‘honour killings’ can hardly be reasonably discussed in the context of ‘feminism’. I do not believe that the 3rd world locations mentioned by you have even reached the level where feminism could be discussed. The issues are even more fundamental. If the focus is just on feminism then the real issues will forever be overlooked and the problems for women of the 3rd world will always exist. Ad infinitum.

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  38. saturnspike

    Specific to America. Feminism is the war on women. Good luck changing the minds of muslims.

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  39. Amanda

    What if we just took the word feminism away for a minute? For those who want to dissect the word into prefixes and roots to prove that feminists don’t care about men. Eliminate that word for a minute.

    Sure, call it a guilt trip. That’s fine. If that’s the case then every St. Jude commercial is a guilt trip. Every Girl Scout waving cookies at you is a guilt trip. Every time you hear Sarah McLaughlin singing on an ASPCA commercial is a guilt trip. SURE.

    But they wouldn’t be considered guilt trips if people were just decent human beings.

    So let’s take away the word feminism. Let’s forget about guilt trips. Let’s look at individual human beings, no matter where you live in this world.

    Can you honestly say that you don’t give a damn about an innocent girl being raped and murdered? You truly believe that you could turn your back to a child being forced to carry a baby? What about the other causes? Would you leave a dying animal on your door step? Would you ignore a child dying of cancer who just wants a laugh or a good time?

    If your answers are yes, then you are just a terrible human being.

    If your answers are no, does that make you a feminist? Do we call people who want to cure cancer a particular name?

    IT MAKES YOU A GOOD PERSON.

    I’m not a feminist. I’m not a democrat. I’m not a republican. I’m a good freaking human being who feels compassion for innocent lives that are struggling.

    But hey, if that makes me a feminist…then I’ll embrace it, if it means my future daughters, sons, pets, husband, doesn’t have to suffer at the hands of another human, cancer, or misfortune.

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  40. Austin

    If events like those in the examples are occurring regularly, there is clearly work to be done, however, the vast majority of feminists don’t appear to do anything to help this. Most of what I see are complaints about the most insignificant first world problems. If feminism is about what this article says it is, it’s public image needs to change.

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  41. Lucy

    I believe it is ironic that these women are posting against feminism. Without the struggle that many feminist lost their lives in, these women probably wouldn’t have been allowed to access Facebook. This article is not saying that these women do not have compassion for other humans, it’s saying that they are ignoring that because of feminism our western world (generally) has become an easier world to live in as a woman. I wouldn’t consider myself an avid feminist, but I certainly believe that I should have the same opportunity as any man, and I want all women to have this. What saddens me the most, is there is no ‘men against masculinity’ Facebook page. Why are we fighting internally for? Stop focussing on putting other woman down. If you call someone a whore, it makes it ok for somebody else to. If you don’t like sleeping around, then don’t. But don’t consider somebody less of a human because they do. Your male counterparts (generally) aren’t doing the same things to their companions.
    And at the end of the day be grateful. Because if you are a stay at home mum, and your husband/partner dies or leaves you. You have the option to go to work and support your children. This was not always the case. And if these ‘feminist’ you hate so much, didn’t fight the fight. You wouldn’t be able to have created your ignorant Facebook page.

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  42. mollypowderly

    Reblogged this on mollypowderly and commented:
    Interesting view on 21st century feminism.

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  43. wakingofthebear

    Congratulations on being Freshly Pressed, however from the number of comments, it doesn’t appear your blog needed the boost.

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  44. gloryelstone

    Reblogged this on gloryelstone's Blog.

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  45. Jody

    I am thankful that I live in a country where people have moved towards equal opportunity for the sexes.
    What about a thought though for what it has done to the average family life. Now the women is expected to do it all. They have the babies but still feel the need or likely to have to for financial reasons return to work full time. The family life gets pushed to the back while women juggle careers and parenting. Often the kids being raised by child carers. The mothers are left tired, stressed and over worked and often underpaid cause after they pay out for the child care they may not always have much left……. time or money.

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  46. travesaou

    Reading this post and then reading some of these comments and then reviewing this post again, I’ve come to the conclusion that some people who commented probably didn’t read the post, and/or have no clue what feminism is about. :/

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  47. imperfectioniscool

    So deep. Great post

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  48. Emry

    While I may disagree with some points of modern feminism, I am not comfortable flat-out rejecting the feminist label. To me, it is still at its core a movement about female empowerment and equality. Some people may not need feminism, but when I was younger, I did. People always gave me shit for not being ‘girly’ enough. I appreciated a movement that stood up for those who did not want to do things solely on the basis of gender expectations. I was also sick to death of “Is she a prude or is she a slut” that would constantly roam the halls of my high school. You can thank feminists for setting the record straight that girls can do whatever they want with their bodies, provided they are not hurting anyone, and that her sexual decisions are her own.

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  49. jennie gunter

    this is nothing to do with feminism
    it is a human issue that needs to be addressed as such, feminism is not equality but a self imposed form of segregation, equalist is everything people think feminism is but are to ill informed to make the distinction. just look at modern feminism including tumblr feminist people who think if a man finds a woman sexualy appealing he is objectifying her but then turn around and say beyonce is a feminist icon even though everything bout her is objectification she sells herself by exploiting her sexual assets and basically celebrates the “sexul bond temptres” feminisms not the answer to any of these problems but a detrimental idiocy that is ultimately contradictory

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  50. Nytonial

    Humanism is for equality,
    Feminism strives to “get revenge on men”

    This is why anti-feminism groups exist, because people want equality, not a complete reversal of the middle aged rules our society has long since neutralized.
    Equality has happened in 90% of the western world, women claim ” —- made a sexual remark”, or ” I haven’t been with the company as long as bob, but he gets paid more and that’s sexism” not to say there isn’t an occasional incident but when you consider the examples in this article you have to have to agree you cant complain that a “friend of a friends niece was being stared at in a low cut top” when things like this (said in article) are actually happening and are far more serious.

    India, Pakistan and large parts of Africa need some sort of movement.
    And to all the feminists in Europe, the USA and anywhere else in the world where you know that if you get on a buss you will survive the trip, I ask you, please, identify yourselves as humanists. Not only is it the correct term for those of us seeking equality, not revenge, but you will be setting yourselves apart from the others in your social group, that have been brainwashed by other feminists into thinking that a man asking you out for coffee is a rape threat. see the following at 4:45, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHwduG1Frk#t=286

    Or those who simply hate men.

    Sure men have pulled some crap, in some parts of the world its still happening, but is revenge the solution? I would like to believe that as a species, we can just leave this petty gender war aside, by that I mean legal action to make men’s and women’s car insurance the same price, and the entire list of tit for tat laws and accusations like I posted in the you tube video. Then we can concentrate on the real problems, the problems mentioned in the article.

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