A Response to ‘Women Against Feminism.’

Imagine this:

The year is 2014. You are a white Western woman. You wake up in the morning in a comfortably sized house or flat. You have a full or part-time job that enables you to pay your rent or mortgage. You have been to school and maybe even college or university as well. You can read and write and count. You own a car or have a driver’s licence. You have enough money in your own bank account to feed and clothe yourself. You have access to the Internet. You can vote. You have a boyfriend or girlfriend of your choosing, who you can also marry if you want to, and raise a family with. You walk down the street wearing whatever you feel like wearing. You can go to bars and clubs and sleep with whomever you want.

Your world is full of freedom and possibility.

Then you pick up a newspaper or go online. You read about angry women ranting about sexism and inequality. You see phrases like ‘rape-culture’ and ‘slut-shaming.’ You furrow your brow and think to yourself: ‘What are they so angry about? There is no such thing as sexism anymore.’

Now imagine this:

The year is 2013. You are a 25 year-old Pakistani woman. A few months ago, you married the man you love. A man you choose for yourself. You are also pregnant with his child. You see your life stretching out before you, filled with hope and happiness. Suddenly, you and your husband are dragged away from each other. You are both beaten with bricks and batons. You can’t fight back. You can’t escape. No one comes to help you. Through your fading vision, you look up, and look into the eyes of one of your assailants: into the eyes of your father.

The year is 2013. You are a 23 year-old Indian woman. You are a physiotherapy student with a promising career ahead of you. You are sitting on a private bus travelling home alone on a warm December evening. You gaze out of the window as the buildings of New Dheli rush past you and feel content. Suddenly, a blunt force hits the back of your head and you fall to the floor of the bus. A group of strange men are standing over you. They bring the metal bar down on you again and again and again until all you can taste is the blood filling up your mouth. You pray that you will die soon. And you do, but not then. You are raped, beaten, and tortured over and over again. Death is slow and agonising.

The year is 2014. You are a 13 year-old girl from Niger. You no longer live there though. You are now living in the neighbouring country Nigeria, sitting alone in small room on a small bed in a small apartment high above the city of Kano. You are not allowed to leave. Your stomach is swollen from the unwanted life growing inside of it. You had no choice. The father is a man in his 40s. He is a businessman. He has bought you as his wife. You were a penniless, uneducated girl when he came for you. You don’t know of any life you could have had. Neither did your family: just one less mouth for them to feed. You still have the body of a child, and it’s straining under the pressure from the one inside of you. You feel like you’re about to be split in two. You don’t wonder if you will survive the birth. A part of you doesn’t want to.

These are fictionalised accounts of real events that have happened to real women living in our world today. They follow the past 250 years of women and men campaigning for women to be given equal rights to men to prevent these kinds of injustices and abuses on the grounds of gender taking place. Over the course of this time, campaigners – Feminists, both female and male – have been locked up, beaten, tortured, and even killed, in the pursuit of equality. They did this with pen and ink and print; they did this with their voices; they did this with their bodies; they did this with art and music; they did in courts of law and halls and houses of government that they fought be to allowed into.

They did this so that women would no longer been seen as property, livestock, breeding machines, sex objects, punching bags, or infantile morons. They did this not just for themselves, but also for their daughters, and their daughters, and their daughters for generations to come. They did this for women they would never meet – women who lived across countries, across vast oceans, across the entire globe, and even across time.

They did this so that women like me – a white Western woman – could attend school and university; to learn to read, write, and think critically; to gain a degree; to get a job and be paid an equal salary to a man in the same position; and to sit here with my own computer and type all of this.

Feminism is a movement for freedom, equality, choice, love, compassion, respect, solidarity, and education. We may argue, we may disagree, we may struggle to understand the choices and perspectives of others sometimes, but these core beliefs of the movement have never changed, and they never will.

That is why I am a Feminist.

If you feel that you have so far lived your life unaffected by even the mildest form of sexism – anything from feeling uncomfortable when a man catcalls you in the street, to feeling scared walking home alone at night in a secluded area – and are treated with love and respect by every man in your life, then to you I say: I’m glad for you. If you don’t think you need feminism, then that is a victory for the movement. You have fulfilled all those dreams that every suffragette being force-fed in prison and every ‘witch’ burnt at the stake dreamed you would one day.

But perhaps take a second to consider the life of the Pakistani woman who was beaten to death by her own family for marrying a man of her choosing. Or the life of the Indian woman who was raped, beaten, and murdered on a bus by a gang of men. Or the life of the little girl in Niger who was sold to a man more than twice her own age and forced to carry a baby that may kill her to deliver. Do they still need feminism?

And perhaps take a second to consider this too: Even in our liberal, Western world, why do women still only fill 24% of senior management jobs? Why are more women than men domestically abused or even killed every week at the hands of their male partner or ex-partner? Why is there still a pay gap (in the UK specifically) of 15% for women doing the same jobs and working the same hours as men?

And what about on a cultural level? Have you ever noticed how comedy panel shows usually only have one female panellist compared to 4-5 male ones? That almost every dieting product on the market is solely aimed at women? How a lot of newspapers and advertising campaigns will use a sexualised or pornographic image of a woman to sell news or products that have nothing to do with sex?

Or perhaps on a personal level: Do you choose to wear certain clothes because you want to or because you feel ‘unfeminine’ if you don’t? Do you choose to cover yourself up because you want to or because you feel ashamed or intimidated by a man looking at your body? Do you shave your legs and underarm hair because you want to or because you will look ‘ugly’ if you don’t? Did you parents dress you in pink as a baby because they liked the colour or because you were born a girl? Do you want to have children because you want to or because you are a woman?

When you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning, do you see yourself through your own eyes, or through the eyes of the men that will look at you when you walk out the door?

The fact is, like it or not, you still live a world where gender matters. Where gender controls not just the entire course of your life – but the lives of women all over the world. Every second, a child will be born female in a country where she will persecuted for this random biological occurrence for the rest of her life. So before you hold up your anti-Feminist placard proudly and smile at your own sense of empowerment, think not what Feminism can do for you, but what it can do for that one girl. She needs someone to stand up for her. That someone could be you.

UPDATE: Click here to read my follow up to this article: ‘Equalism: The Feminist Alternative?’


This is a response to ‘Women Against Feminism’ groups on Tumblr and Facebook.

The stories of the women mentioned in this post were sourced from these sites:

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2014/05/29/pakistani-woman-stoned-to-death-for-marrying-a-man-of-her-own-choosing/

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2013/01/02/indias-tipping-point-death-of-rape-victim-sparks-global-outrage/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27619295

Other facts and statistics were sourced from here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/international-womens-day-2014-the-shocking-statistics-that-show-why-it-is-still-so-important-9177211.html

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  1. jo101

    I support absolutely every point made in the top half of this blog. Women should continue to fight for the absolute basic human rights of women around the world.

    However, the final part of this well written blog points to why women in the western world are turning their backs on feminism. Questions about dress and shaving and why should we, if we don’t need to? So let me put this to you, if a feminist movement persuaded 80% of the female population to no longer shave their legs because it goes again feminism what do you think that does to the remaining 20%? Do you think they simply brush it off as a personal choice or do you think they feel that they must reconsider because of peer pressure. A fundamental core believe of feminism is to counter peer pressure and yet that is what more women are seeing.

    A lot of women, myself included did attend university, got the good job and made good money and then we went on to have children and put that part of our life on hold whilst we immersed ourselves in the beauty of motherhood. However, we are looked down on in some stronger circles of the feminist movement for our choice. Women should support women for the life choices THEY make, for when it has not been forced upon you, it is a personal choice.

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  2. Alex Tovey

    The problem with western world feminism is that the average feminist in the western world isn’t pro equality but is pro women. Trying to help fight sexism in countries outside of the western countries is fine. They need rights. I will admit that women are not treated equally to men in modern society. But in so many ways so women benefit from this. Eg custody over children, can’t be conscripted etc. I am for human rights. Not women’s supremacy.

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  3. literalnut

    These comments are KILLING ME. This piece is amazing – it’s the best piece I’ve read about the “anti-feminism” movement.

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  4. Ben

    “Now imagine this…You’re a 19 yr old female Martian who stands no chance of owning her own spaceship and is brutally forced to live in green bug eyed servitude for the rest of you life because of the patriarchy inherent in the Martian system.”

    But then that wouldn’t have much to do with Women against feminism since they are campaigning against the idiocy of professional victim hood that has sprung up in THE DEVELOPED WORLD!!!!! Seriously could this article miss the point more?

    We aren’t talking about brutal rape or female oppression in the corrupt and socially unsophisticated parts of the world. We are talking about the modern feminist who spends their time complaining about the depiction of female characters in video games that they would never have any interest in playing. Women whose relentless quest to “improve” (as they see it) women’s stature in society has pushed them so far that they have completely lost sight of their objectivity and the concept of EQUALITY!

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  5. MLE

    I didn’t know the WAF movement was a “thing,” until recently, but it truly saddens me. I think extreme behavior on either end of the spectrum is something to be avoided, but what bothers me the most is that women are still fighting amongst themselves. While I’m grateful for the current third-wave of feminism that emphasizes not judging other women for the choices they make (what we hope for, at least), I know we wouldn’t be at this point without first or second-wave pioneers. Also, while I enjoy freedoms and privileges in this country and generation, I know that countless women around the world are living in poverty, treated like property, and deprived of opportunities for education and social mobility (some people might say that still happens here and now, but that’s an argument for another day.)

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  6. theevilhour

    “Did you parents dress you in pink as a baby because they liked the colour or because you were born a girl?”

    um. Does it even matter? Babies don’t give a shit about what color the dress is. They just wanna be taken care of, loved. For me, as soon as I got to complain, the dresses were gone.

    I’m not going point by point with the oppression olympics here. But I can say many of these points are why radical feminists are so unpopular among average women; no amount of your arguing can change that, but you still argue just to feel better about yourself. Talk less; do more. Or you’re not helping.

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  7. Melanie

    Thank you.

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  9. a i

    amen, babe. amen.

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  10. unmuchodenada

    Thank you so much for this amazing post… everyone should definitely realise how, even in the western countries where we all think we are so ahead in social issues, women just dont realise the new forms of gender inequality…. maybe we arent our husband’s property anymore but we definitely are the system’s property, that makes us feel like doing so many things in such a way we don’t even notice that it is not what we want but what it wants…. definitelly following your blog! Congrats!

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  11. Dandy Randy

    So grateful for your article. Let’s not forget that standing for something is about more than speaking for our own experience, but being in solidarity with someone we’ve never met. Not to save or change her, but to respect and embrace her human dignity.

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  12. SusanElizabeth

    Great post, found the link on A Day in the Life of Ana (http://adayinthelifeofana.com/2014/08/01/why-feminism-isnt-enough/) and loved what you both wrote. The anti-feminist posters & rants online are maddening to me.

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  13. hollyda

    Reblogged this on Notes From Your Editor and commented:
    This.

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  14. Simone Millefanti

    Now, you imagine you (mother) have a son, he has an average job, a wife, and a few children. Imagine you put lots of effort in rising your son and even helped him financially to by an house. Imagine one day your son’s wife wake up and for no reason she wants to divorce. She will take control of everything like children and money in common. She will legally rob the common house and your son will be forced to live under a bridge. He will have two choices: one, get depressed and jump from what he call now a roof (bridge) or two he decide that enough is enough and will do justice by himself and decide to kill his wife. He will spend the rest of his life behind bars and will be labelled has killer only because he fought for a fairest western world.
    ( reason why the wife left him was because she is frigid and care only about money, so she found a richer husbands).

    Now, you imagine you (mother) have a daughter that did not found love yet, then one day she find the perfect caring, loving man. Unfortunately, he is divorced and lost the houses he had. Half of his wages is legally robbed by his wife every months without being able to see his children much. Your daughter and the divorced male partner want to have a couple of children, but once they do some financial calculations, realise they cannot afford to give them a proper life and education, so they can have only one child, a boy, but your daughter would like to have girl as well, but they cannot.

    Now, imagine that you (female) were born in 1850 and you were NOT bombarded 24/7 with negative news (the most talked about are the sexual one, because more people will buy the newspaper with such title in the first page). You are living in a nice community with no major issue, you have more time to think about yourself and realise that men have different strength and weakness compare to women. You will accept the role that the nature gave to you. ( nobody can really chose it, mammal evolved in that way. You can hope that one day you will reborn as a female insect, you are bigger, and after the sexual intercourse you will eat him because the nature evolved in that way and you need extra food to feed the future new-born).

    Now, imagine you (female) were very good in statistic and you are able to rationally see, interpret, and distinguish different situations happening in different parts of the world. You will realise that in some parts of world women need to improve their situations and right, while in other parts of the world, women right movement went too far, and the more open minded women begin to feel that masculinity is disappearing (and they are missing it, because parts of their DNA required it, in order to feel sexually and emotionally satisfy) thanks the actions of some extremist feminist before they were could even have a say on the matter.

    More: if a man is circumcised its fine, if female has the lips removed is terrible.

    If a man chose the wrong wife, he is done for the rest of is life. If woman chose the wrong man, she will be paid out no matter what.

    If a man was made slave in the past was forced to work hard (that’s fine), if a woman was made slave was probably forced to have sex (that’s terrible).

    When there was a war in the past men had to die to defend their family and country.

    When the Titanic was sinking, men let the women go first on the life-boat.

    And so on …. Hope it help to clarify the situation 🙂

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    1. Michael

      Grazie mille, Simone! A wonderful reply 🙂

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  15. Future Teacher

    I feel like one of the biggest obstacles to the feminist movement is other women. “Feminists” attack “anti-feminists” and vice versa, which I find ironic as one of the purposes of feminism is to ensure women have the right to voice opposing opinions.

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  16. Nathaniel Arther Hammel

    No offence but this article is sexist against men. That is the problem here. Men do this, men do that, men are this men are that, and so on. SO VERY SEXIST….

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    1. Juedne

      Nathaniel, that’s an idiotic statement. Unfortunately a lot of men do a lot of really evil things to women, hence the need for change. It’s not sexism, it’s (unfortunately again) observation.

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  17. Blackboard Daze

    Well said.

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  18. Catherine

    Thank you for this post. I really appreciated how level headed and respectful it is. Inequality is a subject that can bring up a lot of strong feelings and rightly so, but I believe it is really important to voice important issues calmly and kindly. Otherwise we can do ourselves a disservice. So thank you! Keep up the good work!

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    1. Jennifer Henderson

      I think it’s great that women are so free to express their anti-feminism, that being said Feminism is just that, they are free to express these things so freely as women. The reason they are so free to do that is that all feminist before them worked so hard to make it so. The very point of the feminism movement is that women are free to choose what they do and say, eg: to be a stay at home mother and wife should be an individual choice, not something imposed upon us because we are woman and that’s out job and duty!

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  19. KingOfPain

    Apologizes, but I fail to see how acts of aggression necessitate the ideals of feminism. Feminism’s nature is that of establishing, defining and defending a realm of equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women. The problem here is that the examples load the argument that follows.

    This is, of course, not to say that the points following those examples aren’t valid. Quite on the contrary, they are. The issue here is that there is a striking disconnect between aggression and what feminism, by its very definition, can offer.

    Take it like this: say in Pakistan the feminist movement took significant ground (good luck with anything making any progress in a fundamentalist culture, but I digress). Women in Pakistan are treated exactly as men. The catch is, those Muslim women, just like the men, are not exempt from Sharia law. Thus, the stoning to death of the young lovers would happen regardless (in one context or another).

    Fundamentalism trumps equality, regardless of sex.

    Again: Say in Dehli all the proposed advances bestowed on white western women is placed upon the women of Dehli. The gang beating/rape would have still taken place, regardless of feminism. This was simply a case of aggravated assault. The man this young woman was traveling with was also beaten, not to death like the resisting woman was, but enough to incapacitate him.

    Violence beats words written on paper, perhaps not in the long term, certainly in the short term.

    Finally: Say feminism gains ground in Niger, again, bestowing women with the privileges of white western women. This won’t stop neighboring war lords, poverty stricken and undermined families from having their hands forced to pawn off their children, regardless of sex, to simply survive.

    Power and position crush policy, regardless of what it says.

    The REAL suffrage here should be aimed at a universal form. Unity is the key. By pawning off these instances to women and women alone this divides and segregates people, driving them further from achieving something lasting.

    Humans are humans, regardless of sex, race, wealth, appearance, ad infinitum. The value of a human life is what truly matters.

    We do not need Feminism. No one does.

    We need Humanism.

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    1. Dawn

      Excellent rebuttal!

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    2. thegringuita

      Wow. I liked this post, but I love your response.

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    3. speakeasy25

      Spoken like someone who already has the good stuff feminism is fighting for.

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    4. Richard

      Bravo, well said,

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    5. Luke

      You can’t have the one without the other. Feminism is a prerequisite of humanism, since it advocates for the equal treatment and dignity of all humans regardless of sex or gender.

      It just so happens that inhuman treatment occurs most frequently, across cultures, along gender lines, with women consistently on the receiving end. So it makes sense that feminism would be an are of focus when trying to establish and advocated for humanist sentiment.

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    6. Amy

      Well said.

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    7. Steven

      You are completely right. This is why I have defined myself as an egalitarian for years now. Anyone who actively pushes a more specific ism has their pet issue and has gotten stuck on that – incapable of thinking of the bigger picture.

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    8. BG

      If the man was alone in bus in Delhi, would he be beaten up or harassed? He was targeted because he was with a girl, which they wanted to rape. I think it’s certainly

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    9. Mark

      I agree with you completely. I am always suspicious of any “ism” because it requires the notion of exclusivity. To identify with a feminist, I would separate myself from non-feminists, and it then becomes an ideological discussion. The reality is that the sun shines just as brightly for women as it does for men. Presenting feminism as an idea that can be adopted removes the notion that equality is innately bestowed, in my experience. Culturally, all humans are still immature, but evolving a civilization takes centuries. I will do my part by standing strong with my fellow cosmic citizens. I love you all.

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  20. Heather

    Your arguments are completely fallacious. I do not have to be feminist to be saddened by the injustices shown to women in other countries or in our own country. I do not have to be a feminist to fight for their rights under God. In fact, I am not a feminist because I believe that feminism is focused entirely on the wrong thing. Feminism wants women to be treated better so we can be “equal to men”, I want women to be treated better because their Creator loves and cherishes women and so should we. Women WILL be treated better in proportion to how much Biblical Truth is understood. My battle cry is not for females, but for God and His truth. When we understand Jesus Christ, we understand that women should be treated with dignity and respect. Feminism has wrought havoc on families and misunderstands and teaches fallacies about the basic created order God designed. God did not create women as inferior to men, indeed, but He did create us differently. Feminism seeks to demolish that fact, and in doing so detracts from the beauty and worth of women in society. So many of your “examples” of women living under “pressure” as women are silly. For instance: “women fill 24% of seniority jobs”…well, ya, because most women aren’t interested in those jobs, most women have families and decide their children are more important than climbing a career ladder (I praise this decision of most women); “more women are beat up by men than vice versa,” uh ya, are you saying women should start beating men up equally?!, actually I think you’re saying men should take our their abusive anger like women do and gossip, slander, disrespect, malign, scream and inwardly hate, they just shouldn’t do anything physical because that would be too much of a “masculine” response, really the best thing is for both sexes to learn how to handle their anger in constructive measures, but feminists wouldn’t say that because it might hold them responsible for something; “women are used for sexual advertising,” yes this is an abuse…but it works, maybe if women stopped prostrating themselves, and men boycotted those things that appealed to their basest natures we’d get somewhere…unlike if we try to deny that there is any difference between male and female; “women should only wear clothes and shave their legs if they want to”?! How selfish can we be? I am a happily married woman, my husband is very grateful that I wear pretty clothes and shave my legs FOR HIM, if I didn’t he would feel unloved, come on ladies the world doesn’t revolve around us “doing whatever we want” how would we feel if a man refused helping us out of a ditch because he didn’t feel like using his strong arms?!; “we shouldn’t have to worry walking down a dark ally”?! I think anyone in their right mind would worry in such a situation, “dress a baby girl in pink… because she likes it”?! how many babies have you been around that can say, let alone choose what they want to wear? I dress my babies for their comfort and my pleasure in looking at them, and I rejoice in the sex God created them with by dressing them in gender specific colors; “like it or not, you still live [in] a world where gender matters.” as if it’s a bad thing?! How silly! Gender does and should matter. I have children because I’m a woman, love being a woman, and want to experience all that being a woman has to offer! I love my children and am grateful that God made me a woman so that I could be their mommy. Femininity is a beautiful gift, feminism tries to stifle that gift, which is why I’m not a feminist.

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    1. Michael

      Well, first of all, no one has claimed that you must be a feminist to be saddened by those situations brought up in the article. The author is simply acknowledging that the feminist movement, which can of course be a very broad category, has been filled with actions fueled by people who have been saddened by those situations. In addition, many of the feminist critical techniques allow us to uncover different complexities in the world that contribute to oppression based on race, ethnicity, class, gender, sex, sexuality, ability, age, and much more.

      Next you state that feminism has sought to demolish the “fact” that women were created differently by “god.” First of all, you have absolutely no proof that your “god” exists at all. Thus it would really be unwise to bring in an argument that is not provable. Second, yes feminism has definitely sought to demolish the idea that women are different from men. But you are misunderstanding the argument. The argument is that there are so many behaviors of human beings that are heavily influenced by that human’s experiences and interaction with the environment and surroundings. Of course there are differences and similarities between humans that are influenced by their genes, but the studies of psychology, philosophy, anthropology, neuroscience, sociology, and other fields have shown that there are a multitude of factors outside of and in addition to one’s genes that influence behavior. And by behavior I mean the very nature of the body and its intricacies at any point in time.

      Your response goes all over the place and doesn’t really relate back to what you are critiquing, but I’ll go ahead and follow it anyways. One can argue that the reason women are not interested in seniority jobs is because they have been exposed to norms and standards of women working outside of those fields, many of which are presented to them by religion? Also, no one is critiquing women for shaving their legs, for experiencing opposite sex desire, for being completely heteronormative. We are critiquing the social institutions that make those options the only options women can choose from.

      No one is saying that women should beat up men equally as men beat up women. We are simply pointing to the fact that a majority of the time, men beat up women, because this is a common trend that is very much the result of an ideology of inferiority and superiority between different human bodies, or sexes. Also if men did “gossip, slander, disrespect, malign, scream and inwardly hate,” as you say that women do, which by the way is a very large generalization and is very much influenced by one’s culture and upbringing rather than their genes, they would not be breaking the law by abusing them. Actually most feminists would probably agree that it would be productive and beneficial to us all to be able to handle their anger in “constructive measures”, whatever that its.

      Yes, women are used for sexual advertising. This can turn into a big debate in of itself. Women are taught that their main “value” is their sexuality, which is taught by culture, mainstream media, education, and many times, by religion, especially christianity. So you can see how feminists would be critical of these false notions that are taught then exploited through sexual advertising. And of course men can take a big step in boycotting these images. Nobody ever defined feminism in such a way to exclude the action of men. And hey, if a woman was raised to respect her body, and was told all her life that she can be anything that she wants, and was given opportunity for all of this, and was not exposed to a culture of sexism and misogyny that treats her body as “inferior” and a “tool” for sexuality, and she does want to show her body in advertisements, who are you to tell her not to?

      Also, a woman in a ditch, who happens to have a man help her up from it, is not something feminists are opposed to, I don’t know where you heard that from.

      Also no one is telling you to dress your baby in the color “she likes.” of course she can’t tell you what she likes, nor do we know if she has even developed that desire. We are telling you that when you raise your kids, it would be honest of you to open up options to them by teaching them that their body, and their genes do not determine what they desire and what they will want to be when they grow up. If they want to conform to the standards then let that be so.

      Also I don’t think you understand what gender is being defined as in the fields of sociology and women’s studies and philosophy. I think you are defining it by addressing someone’s body, meaning their skin, their brain, their body, their penis, their vagina. And i think you are somewhat correct. But we are defining gender to address all of the aspects of the body, including someone’s desires, their thought process, their behaviors, everything. And these desires, thought processes, choice of clothing may be correlated, but are not caused only by one’s genes, by their brain. It is a combination of their body and their social environment and their experiences. So someone who has a “female” body can easily develop and there is evidence that they have developed a desire to wear blue instead of pink. So when you say gender specific colors, you are saying that there are certain desires, and certain colors that are just results of one’s genes only, and not anything else, and you are sadly mistaken, as proved by many fields of sciences.

      Feminists do not try to stifle femininity. In fact they are trying to create the freedom for all people, male, female bodies, all though these are very binary to choose femininity, masculinity and other behaviors.You are very much mistaken about the ideas that feminists hold, and you are really generalizing them all.

      Also, religion is a very oppressing tool. You look so brainwashed that you don’t actually take a critical view on it.

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    2. glenn

      Excellent… truly balanced reply. Woman is mans complement….

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    3. speakeasy25

      What a well-behaved little autobot.

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    4. Juedne

      It is patently clear that you have no grasp of what feminism is about. It’s certainly not about stifling femininity. It’s about achieving equality and eliminating the many horrific practices that harm women and girls worldwide. How you translate that into ‘stifling femininity’ is quite beyond me.

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    5. Renee

      Don’t you get it?? Not every woman is the same. Not every man is the same. Saying men and women are different just polarises us. We’re more alike than divisive gender roles would have us believe. Just because more women are caregivers doesn’t mean men can’t give care. And why is it that the biggest insult for a man is to call him a woman? Surely that means they must think us less than. We don’t want the status quo. Yes women CHOOSE not be in leadership positions, that’s why feminism is breaking down the barriers for women in jobs like those with affordable childcare, maternity leave and no tolerance of sexual harassment in the workplace. Also changing the way we treat girls by not discouraging them from leadership early in life. Why is this important? Well I would like our government to represent society with less old white men and more actual representation. For one important reason, there are a bunch of laws regulating a woman’s body but 0 regarding a man’s body. Don’t you think we should get a say in that by have equal representation in politics? The way society is set up with women taking the full burden of children with all the financial impacts has kept us down for years, we need to change the way we view and value women and their role in society so that those who choose to take care of their children are not disadvantaged. I feel like you are angry at feminism for suggesting you should get a job and put your kids in childcare when you don’t want to but feminism just wants you to be able to choose, we want you to be able to choose. There’s nothing wrong with choosing to be in a traditional gender role as long as you have the choice!

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    6. Diane

      And as long as there are people out there who think like you, the world will need people like me out there promoting feminism. I accept your challenge to cancel out the ignorance.

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    7. Rachel Minnaar

      Some of the comments about feminism in this make me sad, there is still this idea that feminists are just a bunch of “feminazi man hating” people whose goal is to be better than men. I think that is so sad, as that has nothing to do with it.

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    8. Rachel Minnaar

      That comment was meant as a reply for all of the anti-feminist posts, not just this one.

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    9. Rachel Minnaar

      Also in reply to this particular post, I just want to say that if you read enough feminist literature you will see a lot that does appreciate the differences between men and women, and women’s femininity. It depends on the type of feminism you are talking about. There are many different kinds. You can appreciate femininity, and all it’s forms, still believe in women’s rights, and still be a feminist. Another thing is that there are women who are career-minded who want management positions but cannot get them, it’s not because they are making the “choice” to stay home instead, although you are right that there are some that do. The truth is there is still a lot of inequality, even in the west, and that women are still fighting for equal rights. I am a feminist because I believe in equal rights, and by your saying you believe in equal rights you are one too. It is sad that the term has been co-opted by people who believe that feminism is “anti-feminine” which it isn’t, at least the feminism I believe in is not.

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    10. Harper

      Most women don’t want seniority jobs because their family is more important to them? What about women who choose their career over having a family? The point of feminism is that they should have a choice, and it’s not really your place to praise them or not, it’s their life.
      Not all women “gossip, slander, disrespect, malign, scream and inwardly hate.” Nor is that behavior exclusive to women. That would be a stereotype.
      And certainly women should only wear “pretty clothes” if they want to and maintain their own bodies the way they want to. If doing this makes your partner feel unloved, then your partner is very confused about who your body belongs to.
      In fact, to me feminism is all about people doing whatever they want, whatever makes them happy, regardless of their gender, so long as it’s not hurting anyone (so yeah, if someone needs your help out of a ditch, you should do it regardless of your gender or theirs…obviously…).
      Yes, femininity is beautiful, but it comes in many forms, not just the one you’ve chosen to embrace.

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    11. Luke

      ‘Femininity’ wasn’t created by God – which is why many cultures who worship the same God assign different roles and signifiers to it. Your dressing your daughter in pink is only ‘feminine’ within a very small slice of time and space, and fundamentally has ZERO to do with anything ordained by the God of Abraham within or without the Bible.

      Likewise, you also (blasphemously) ascribe the social norms created by men to the will of God when you naively assert that the problem of lack of women in management is explained by women not being “interested” in those jobs. Newsflash: God didn’t create women with an inherent “disinterest” in leadership. Rather, men have systematically created overt and covert barriers to women w/r/t leadership roles, including constant discouragement from assuming them and constant channeling toward more traditionally ‘feminine’ (again, as dictated by a specific human culture, NOT as dictated by Yahweh anywhere, ever) roles.

      As St. Paul opined – there is no longer Jew nor Gentile, nor man nor woman, nor slave nor free, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Sounds like erasing those “important” (man-made) distinctions between men and women is an unambiguous prerequisite for the Kingdom of God on Earth!

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    12. o.

      what the fuck is wrong with you

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    13. Nobody you know

      If you don’t shave your legs, your husband will feel unloved? what a pitiful marriage you have.

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    14. Amy

      I couldn’t have said it better myself!

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    15. shedarestobe

      All I will say in reply to this is: If you want to see North American examples of women being treated less than human by men? Its in the Church. I am a Christian, and its true if we actually strove to live like Jesus women would automatically be treated better. However, your arguments are completely out of any context. You don’t have to look hard or far for women in churches who are told that they need to submit above all- including victims of abuse being blamed (“you arent submitting enough; you are trying to take the power from your husband and thats why he hit you; etc.) and put back into harms way by their own pastors and leaders. Please, please, get some perspective before completely dismissing all that the author has said.

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    16. Zamaru

      Have you ever read the Bible? Read the whole Bible. I agree that if you follow the teachings of Jesus, you should treat all with respect regardless of social standing. But anything called “Biblical” truth does NOT ensure any kind of good treatment for women. I am floored at your entire comment. I hope it is satire.

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  21. Curt

    Thank you, Tristan and Susan, for elevating the quality of the discussion with your insights. You both bring a deeper view that trivializes the highly polar “Feminist vs Anti-Feminist” debate. You bring the discussion back to a place where I think people on both sides can start to relate.

    The way I see it, if we start to look deeper into the root causes for social injustice, the debate of Feminist vs Anti-Feminist becomes a moot point, a distraction.
    If we continue to segregate into “Men’s Rights Groups” and “Feminist Groups”, we are failing to work on the bigger picture issues. The HUMAN issues, and their myriad forms, occurrences, patterns, victims, perpetrators, systemic causes, etc…

    This segregation causes us to miss the forest for the trees. We get caught up looking for this pattern or that pattern, while finding ways to support our narrow view on the world. We look for ways in which we are victims. I am guilty of it myself at times.

    Instead, we need to look at the deeper issues. What drives people to harm others? How can we structure our society so that these drivers are minimized or eliminated, and the drivers for compassion, cooperation, collaboration, honesty, etc. are amplified? What about creating a society where our best option (ie: our self-interest) at all times is also the best option for the people around us?
    Maybe this isn’t totally possible, but I very firmly believe that we must TRY!! We must aim for an “Outstanding” society so that we at least reach “Great”, if you catch my drift.

    I would love to see more thinking and discussion on these bigger picture issues, so that we can continue to minimize ALL human suffering. Not just considering the suffering of a single group at a time. Only then will we escape the confines of the collective ego.

    Thank you, and continue to gift the world with your wisdom as you continue to evolve your point of view.

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  22. Esmeralda

    What an amazing article!!!

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  23. Ben Shultz

    …. Tisk tisk… The point of those “I don’t need feminism” posts is that they ARE privileged people who aren’t victims. They are arguing that the western feminist movement has evolved away from its original goal and is turning privileged girls into victims. The girls who made those I don’t need post weren’t saying there is no point in feminism anywhere ever. That article was just some bleeding heart nutcase that completely missed the point, and used the most extreme example as a counter.

    That would be like attacking a company that makes diet plans because there are people starving in India.

    All the girls who made those posts are not against women equality and rights you simpletons, they are against the idea of being victimized by the extreme western notion of feminism, where a women can’t chose to a stay at home mom or else she is fulfilling a negative stereotype, and men should stay at home instead (quick side note, why is 50 shades of gray so popular if it’s about male domination and female submission, because a woman wrote it and women made it a best seller. Just some food for thought on our evolutionary psychology).

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    1. speakeasy25

      Actually, not a one of them has even the slightest clue what feminism is–“Western” or otherwise.

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    2. impishrainey

      Tsk Tsk. You think women aren’t victimized based on their gender in the USA? BTW: check your privelege. You’re lack of comprehension doesn’t preclude truth you’re not seeing.

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    3. Zamaru

      There is no such unified extreme western feminism. Wilful misinterpretation does not create truth. Your argument is like politicians creating the idea of “welfare queens” so they can fabricate an epidemic of welfare abuse that the statistics don’t support. Even if people buy it, congratulations, all you’ve done is create decades of misinformation, divisiveness and ill will for no reason. What do you gain from perpetuating that tired feminazi stereotype?

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  24. Marija Bejatovic

    It is so true that I wear clotes that is for me easies to walk out of my flat and feel more comfortable with the people in general,becouse of men and weman,i don’t how to wrte properly,becouse of theirs twisted minds,nesty souls,not all of them ofcors

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  25. Regan Kendall

    I’d like to thank feminists that have stood up and actively spoken out and fought against oppression of women and girls.This article unfortunately points out the fact that for most of us that if it doesn’t directly or adversely affect us that it’s not a real issue.I am a man and used to react with the “what about me attitude” but it is impossible to ignore the issues woman have and are still facing.There are many issues in the world and we’d all like to live in a perfect world but while people choose not to acknowledge and support the issues of woman and support righteous warriors such and feminists then sadly we still have a long road ahead.

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    1. Renee

      Issues of equality do not detract from each other, they build and help each other. I don’t understand how anyone can think more equality is a bad thing.

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    2. Martin (@martinSWH1)

      Feminists really really hate you only because you are a man and they have taken away many of your rights too
      You will only believe this when it is too late .

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    3. impishrainey

      Eloquent. I know this reaches more people than anger. Sometimes it’s hard not to be angry and only see our own pain (or lack thereof). When we all “check our privelege” we all benefit. Thank you 🙂

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  26. Catmari

    This is in line with my previous two comments, which I don’t think have been approved yet. As you can see, “western women” need feminism too! Every single day.

    Europe enacts convention on preventing violence against women

    STRASBOURG, France, July 29 (Xinhua) — A Council of Europe convention on preventing violence against women would come into force on Aug. 1, the council announced Tuesday.

    The convention obliges governments that have ratified it to take specific steps to counter all forms of violence against women, including stalking and sexual harassment, domestic violence, forced marriage and female genital mutilation.

    The “Istanbul Convention,” so called because it was opened for signature in the Turkish city three years ago, is a landmark treaty, said Nils Muiznieks, human rights commissioner of the Council of Europe.

    “Violence against women remains one of the most widespread human rights violations which takes place every day in Europe. Intimate partner violence is still among the major causes of non-accidental death, injury and disability for women,” Muiznieks said.

    According to the council, at least 12 women are killed in gender-related violence in Europe each day. In 2013, domestic violence led to deaths of 121 women in France, 134 in Italy and 143 in Britain.
    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/xinhua-news-agency/140730/europe-enacts-convention-preventing-violence-against-women

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  27. Babs

    Reading all the comments it’s still quite apparent that a lot of people don’t understand what feminism is about. I loved the article and it made me very emotional, it is however one sided but the simplicity of it is intentional so it can reach people easily.

    Please, PLEASE watch this and it may help you understand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTvSfeCRxe8

    It saddens me even more when people stand against something they don’t even understand. You base your opinion on what popular culture tells you. Please go to a few lectures about feminism and listen to it! Don’t disregard something because you are prejudiced on the information based form secondary sources! This is exactly WHY we have so much struggle and intolerance! Because we seize to understand.

    As a sociologist I have been always taught that it is about questioning the status quo and power relations in culture, politics and philosophy. Societies lack so badly in different perspective in predominantly male culture and philosophy and politics.

    Feminist movement spread and inspired other social groups that were struggling to be heard and their rights to be taken into account. Someone wrote that it ignored non-white women issues. But that’s exactly the point! Women of colour stood up and said ‘hey! what do YOU know about our life situation and what it means to be african/african-american/indian woman? Nothing! That’s why WE are going to create OUR own feminist movement’. Feminism came into this world in waves, each new generation challenging the previous one. That’s how progress is created.

    Social movements are born in times of injustice and struggle. If you look at all of the recent revolutions and domestic conflicts, they all, in the end, lead to the same sold order. Feminism is here to challenge that.

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    1. gellatmeister

      We can listen to every feminists’ interpretation of feminism and they will contradict, the anti-feminists can do the same thing but they will be concordant with each other.

      That’s the difference between both movements, confusion versus agreement.

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      1. Babs

        Yes, concordant in disagreement based on false assumptions and prejudices that feminism is about hating men. My ‘interpretation’, which I’d rather call my understanding, of feminism which I described is a generalised description of what modern feminism is about. It is still consistent with the more grounded description in this article. If it was me, I’d add more inclusive examples of what feminism did for men to make it more objective.

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      2. gellatmeister

        ‘False’ because you don’t like the feminist cause being scrutinised, look at any feminist blog and you see them at each other’s throats for not adhering to the same ideals. Since you like to take credit for what feminists have done throughout time, I can safely say you are your own worst enemy.

        Why would you rather be a feminist than an egalitarian? It’s incredibly naive to be attached to a label like that than wanting to see people as equals.

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  28. Pangloss

    If the pay gap is 15%, why do employers still hire men? They could get women to do the job and deliver the same quantity and quality of work, right? So either employers like to spend extra money, the pay gap isn’t that big at all, or men deliver something that employers consider worth paying extra for…

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    1. Heather

      Amen!

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    2. Waffles

      “Or men deliver something that employers consider worth paying extra for…” Their penis.

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    3. gellatmeister

      It is a myth, the pay gap has been debunked many times over by the WAFs. Perhaps the feminists should listen to them rather than mindlessly ignoring them? Nah, they crave the victimisation of women.

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    4. try

      i don’t think it’s as transparent as seeing that one statistic. people may hire men because they’re unaware of the pay gap itself or its extensiveness, or for other reasons like they prefer working with men, get a better impression from men, etc. also, take into account raises and other benefits, which aren’t upfront and obvious. and realistically, if you were a manager, would you really think, ok today i will hire a woman because then HR can file a lower salary into the payroll?

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    5. steph

      I think the pay gap is not that if you get say 2 nurses one male one female and the man gets more. I think it points out that on average males get paid 15% more than females probably because they fill more of the higher paid jobs than women. On average if you look at the whole Country, it’s not so obvious looking at it case by case but when youdo the research you find its still very much there.

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    6. Renee

      It is a more complicated issue but it’s not like she can go into it in this article. In some areas women are paid more than men: nursing, childcare, etc and the areas where they are paid less? You guessed it, science, engineering, management, etc. reinforcing gender roles and the stupid belief women are bad at math and men are bad at caregiving. Not to mention caregiving jobs are very underpaid as a whole. We do also earn a lot less over a lifetime even without time off to have children.

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    7. impishrainey

      Men are hired over women based on sexism. Then they get treated differently based on sexism. Then they take home more money and get promoted based on sexism. There are exceptions. But for the most part. People railing against equality don’t even see the sexist garbage falling out of their own mouths. They only serve to prove feminists right. Wouldn’t it be nice to live in a world where we didn’t need to focus on one groups rights, and instead could just get a fair shake?

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    8. Uncle Gus

      Some firms preferentially hire women for these jobs, and they are the ones that pay the least. It sounds bonkers, but I’m sure many people out there have come across an “entrepreneurial” a-hole or two with this kind of world view! “Sorry, mate, we only hire birds, and you wouldn’t want it anyway, the pay is shit…”

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  29. chingyinwriting

    Great blog! I’ve always thought that it was strange that women stopped identifying themselves as feminists even though it was feminists up until the 1990s that paved so much of their privileges and freedoms that they enjoy daily.

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  30. monique sparla

    Indeed women need other women to stand up for a better live. And yes that someone could be you. But nowadays feminism, how it now is presented, is old school, very nineties. What women now need is Equal Access to work, income (basic income 3.0), health care, food, education and administration of justice. For inspiration read about our programm. Feminists in the Netherlands bullying that program. Thats when we saw why feminism is oldschool and more a problem in our society
    “Equal access means more than equal rights” and most feminist groups are politics corrupt, don’t care about working on the right laws to make the change for women in their country. They are earning good salaries to organize nice projects all over the world, who have in time no added value, especially not for other women. The world of Feminism is full of volunteers work. How many woman who calling himself nowaday a feminist take financially good care of other woman? Think about that if you say I am a feminist. I rather like to work for the Vrouwen Partij, the Women’s Party on equal access. That ninities feminism is oldschool, the world doen’t need to be more female, our society needs to be more accessible to all people. That is the new feminsmhttp://www.vrouwenpartij.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Vrouwen_Partij_EP2014_UK_online.pdf

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  31. monique sparla

    Indeed women need other women to stand up for a better live. And yes that someone could be you. But nowadays feminism, how it now is presented, is old school, very nineties. What women now need is Equal Access to work, income (basic income 3.0), health care, food, education and administration of justice. For inspiration read about our programm. Feminists in the Netherlands bullying that program. Thats when we saw why feminism is oldschool and more a problem in our society
    “Equal access means more than equal rights” and most feminist groups are politics corrupt, don’t care about working on the right laws to make the change for women in their country. They are earning good salaries to organize nice projects all over the world, who have in time no added value, especially not for other women. The world of Feminism is full of volunteers work. How many woman who calling theself nowaday feminist take financially good care of other woman? Think about that if you say I am a feminist. I rather like to work for the Vrouwen Partij, the Women’s Party on equal access. That ninities feminism is oldschool, the world doen’t need to be more female, our society needs to be more accessible to all people. That is the new feminsm http://www.vrouwenpartij.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Vrouwen_Partij_EP2014_UK_online.pdf

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  32. Friday Links (Choose the wrong month to go off sugar, Edition) | Small Dog Syndrome

    […] A truly excellent response to the Women Against Feminism tumblr, which I will not link to here. (I initially thought I was reblogging and linking to it on my tumblr, which I use mostly for fun and to track images and stories I think are interesting and beautiful, but I didn’t realize that I had accidentally reblogged it on WordPress. The trial of too many media sites! That happened on Tuesday, and I took the post down, in case you saw it and wondered where it went. I’ve got nothing against reblogging in general, but I’ve never done it here so I thought it best not to start. Plus I want this author to get the clicks and the credit in her own right, because she basically dropped the mic.) […]

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  33. A Weekend Home

    So brilliantly written, some of my girlfriends wince when I say I’m a feminist. It shocks me every time. Loved your post.

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  34. malcolm

    Yep, I would agree with some of the posters above, these type of blog articles simply scream out hypocrisy. I don’t know where you get your drive to nail the anti-feminists, but comparing third world poverty, basic crimes, arranged marriages and rape, to our western socialist philosophy of a utopian society where men and women are utterly equal in all aspects of life, even to the point of contrived job positions to match up the number of executives, is totally off the mark and ignores the anti-feminist movements message. The third world is dealing with crimes against humanity and lawlessness, not specifically female discrimination or inequality, however the feminists are happy to pick and choose their battles to further their cause.

    The western socialist view that inequality is a result of something you can not change (your sex, height, race, strength) and therefore makes you a victim of society, so society (ie. laws) must give you special treatment so you will be like everyone else, black and black, tall and tall, masculine and masculine, no differences. This leads to society not able to express itself, use its strengths nor avoid its weaknesses.

    Common sense goes out the window because we think men should behave like women and women should behave like men, gender confusion and societal disharmony. For a change I wish the feminists would look through the prism of a male in today’s western society and see the damage they are causing. The pendulum in the West has swung too far the other way and it’s shameful we use stories of foreign womens struggles to push it even further.

    Women fear being womanly due to the fear of isolating themselves from their peers, while men wonder where all the feminine women have gone. Is this good for society? Mothers having nervous breakdowns coping with the pressures from society to have it all, work and family, while their children are institutionalised by big brother and raised by foreign nannies.

    If we look at the battle cries on twitter and from university womens scholars to “keep up the fight” and “don’t give in”, you wonder which battle they are referring to, that at the end of it all you wonder who the real winners are here? Not the children, not the women or the men? Could it be the corporations, the government, the big institutions?

    Western women need to take off their battle gear and start working together with men, rather than against them, femininity is a positive, western feminism is dangerous.

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    1. Todd

      Well said.

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    2. impishrainey

      Women were pill popping to escape the mind numbing existence of the housewife. Maybe someone wants to stay home, I don’t judge. But it would kill me because of who I am. A girly tomboy. I’d have to pop valium to think ironing a man’s shirts is fulfilling. Not because I was brainwashed to want to be a man. Quite contrary, I was raised to be a housewife. Which left me without the life skills to take care of myself. Like cutting off my legs. What’s so feminine about the traditional female role? Nothing feminine about being trained to be financially, emotionally and physically dependant on men. What about the abuse victims taught to be attracted to the wrong men? Isn’t she better off knowing how to take care of herself so she doesn’t perpetuate the cycle? And I’m talking about in the USA.

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    3. Erika

      I.E. When you say work together, I suspect you mean work for, to be a girly girl and get back in the kitchen. No thanks, I’d rather not. If someone else wants to, sure, that is their choice. There are plenty of women happy to play at traditional roles, and that is just fine. Go find one of them. But stop trying to throw half of the population back into a position of no choice. I’m not afraid to be girly for fear of isolation, I’m not afraid to be manly for fear of isolation. I’m quite comfortable being myself somewhere in the middle, and I am overjoyed that I have the freedom to do so. I’m not interested in the snake oil you’re selling and maybe it’s “worse” for men now, because they used to have it so absurdly well on the backs of their spouses and mothers, but I don’t really see all this “damage” of which you speak, I just see a lot more freedom for people to live according to their potential. Sorry, not sorry.

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  35. The Links | The Good Read Guide 1st August | Rebecca Hawkes

    […] + I think it is wonderful how recently, woman’s equality is coming to the forefront. This link is a response to those who want to be seen as ‘anti-feminist’. […]

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  36. 123

    The whole Anti-Feminism is directed at Western Women who slanderise Western Males for minor things. Nothing more nothing less.

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    1. Malaika

      Maybe that’s what the people calling themselves this believe. Anti-Feminism however means so much more than that, it means the individual is against Feminism as a cause and all the wonderful, important things that it embodies. The people who are (quite rightly) against Western Women needlessly slanderising Western Men need to find a new name for themselves which does not obviously undermine their other (hopefully more important) principles.

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  37. likeitordontblog

    Reblogged this on Like It or Don't.

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  38. Ellie Grant

    Being against feminism isn’t necessarily about believing that sexism doesn’t exist. For me, I think that sexism isn’t exclusive to women and that feminism is not the answer to the issues of the world. I am sick of feminists treating me like I’m stupid for not sharing their views and it is for that reason I think that feminism is nothing but black and white narrow mindedness, and will do nothing but oppress people further. As well as the way they treat men- oppressing men is not justice for oppressed women. Sorry, but I want equality. Not feminism. People could debate for years about whether feminism is the way to equality or the whole metaphysical abstract bullshit aspects of it, but what will that solve? I’d rather just get on with solving these fucking problems which affect everyone worldwide rather than wasting time debating who has it worst.

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    1. Diane

      Feminism = equality. This has already been established. Would you pay more attention if there was going to be a quiz after the blog?

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      1. gellatmeister

        Yes and sexism = misogyny

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    2. Martha

      Feminism stands for equality; that is the movements entire purpose. To say that feminism wastes time ‘debating who has it worst’ is completely missing the point. It is not about who has it worst but about an equal GLOBAL society for men and women. Yes of course there are horrific human injustices occuring daily but that does not stop the issues surrounding women being any less significant and important. While arranged marriage, FGM, gang rape, cat-calling, hyper sexualising of women in the media continues saying that feminism is no longer necessary proves why it is.

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    3. Snow

      You’re conflating feminism with misandry. Feminism is about equality and has nothing to do with oppressing men. Unfortunately there seem to be a few loud-mouthed misandrists claiming to be feminists who are fuelling critics and causing confusion. This is exactly why we need posts like these and for more young people to learn about it.

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    4. Sam

      The problem is that regardless of the message of an anti-feminist, the definition of feminism is “the belief that women should have equal rights and opportunities of men.” Every point you’ve made here agrees with the core definition of feminism. Just because you don’t like the more extreme (and rare) beliefs of a few feminists doesn’t mean you aren’t a feminist. You don’t even have to self-identify as a feminist, you can just say, “I am a person and a woman who happens to believe that women should have equal rights and opportunities of men.” When you actively position yourself against feminism, regardless of your intentions, you are also saying you are against equal rights and opportunities for women. It’s contradictory to be against feminism and still root for equal rights for women. It’s like saying ,”I hate trees, but I like tall wood plants that have a trunk, branches, and leaves.”

      Please note: I promise I’m not trying to tell you you’re stupid. I also agree that men shouldn’t be oppressed or hated and that sexism affects both genders. I just hate to see people creating 2 sides to pit against each other when both sides want the same thing.

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  39. Zimba Zumba

    Feminism embodies everything that is moral and good on this planet, in fact I think both words should be replaced by the word feminist. Phrases like like “she is a good mother” should become “she is a feminist mother”, or “it was a the right thing to do” should become “it was a the feminist thing to do”. We could even have phrases like “the scales of feminism”.

    Anti-feminists by definition are then either bad and immoral or not of sound mind. It would become anti-feminist to lie, steal and otherwise break the law; the laws can be adjusted to reflect this fact if needs be. Prisons would be full of anti-feminists; institutions for the criminally insane simply become institutions for anti-feminists; a whole slate of mental and personality disorders would simply be renamed anti-feminism. The efficiencies of language are obvious.

    This is a win win situation for all, only an anti-feminist could degree. Whilst we are at it we could also burn all books by Swift, Orwell and Huxley.

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  40. Martha Keim-St. Louis

    Reblogged this on Martha Keim-St. Louis' blog and commented:
    read this. are women really backsliding? their rights are.

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  41. Richard T.

    Unfortunately the word ‘feminism’ is often understood as a manifestation of sexism, female counterpart of ‘machism’, so to speak. And when one says ‘a feminist individual’, often what is really meant – a sexist bad-mannered female who displays pronounced contempt towards males.

    Some of those individuals slipped even into this thread even. One of the few comments above: ‘Most men have a problem with their identity…’ – I’m sorry, what?

    Let’s just be honest, the word ‘feminist’ today acquired the bias towards the above meaning. What the article writer calls ‘feminism’, I would absolutely subscribe to, because it’s something that any sane person can be possibly against. If it is really a struggle for human rights and gender equality, then while being a male, I can also call myself feminist in that sense.

    But there is another meaning to this word, and there is a clear separation between the two ‘feminisms’. The one I’m all for, the second one I’m completely against – same, as I would be against ‘machism’ or sexism in any manifestation.

    Richard

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  43. Laura

    In reference to women in management jobs and differences in pay scales: I’m loving equal rights, I appreciate what has been done in my country so that I can have equal rights (although will probably never really know what it cost so many women in history). I am not, however, in favour of “positive discrimination” that is going around now meaning that a certain percentage of board members/government ministers etc MUST be female. I wouldn’t want to get a position out of sympathy. Also, I think that although I believe that men and women are equal in all ways, I also recognise that women and men are not the same.

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  44. jim

    Well said Lola Swift.

    Equality for all…otherwise you’re unfairly taking one side.

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  45. 3dnanoo94

    This is so true and excellent. If only men of our regressing countries cared more. Thank you for writing such a lovely thing.

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  46. Kaff

    I couldn’t believe Women Against Feminism was real until I read some of their manifestos and saw that they don’t really mean ‘feminism’ as such, but what they perceive as militant ‘anti-men’ feminists which is not the same thing.

    Feminism is about equality but is perceived as dirty word by a lot of younger women who misunderstand the term, and I suppose, take female equality for granted so I suppose it’s a muted ‘yay’ in a way!

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  47. Kira Morgana

    Reblogged this on The World of The Teigr Princess and commented:
    And the battle rages on – it may be in other countries that the sharp end of Feminism is needed, but what our Great Grandmothers began, we should continue…

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  48. gapmuse

    Reblogged this on gapmuse and commented:
    An interesting perspective on those that speak out against feminism.

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  49. Bella

    Now what? What can we all do? What’s the next step….?

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  50. Irondogm

    Effectively expressed Malcolm. Thank you.
    As a woman who has experienced rape, sexism, and the beauty of freedoms – I choose not to join an “us against them”-type of movement, but rather I endeavor to work together with all genders (there are more than 2), sexes (as above), and cultures to find freedoms and some semblance of equality for all.

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