A Response to ‘Women Against Feminism.’

Imagine this:

The year is 2014. You are a white Western woman. You wake up in the morning in a comfortably sized house or flat. You have a full or part-time job that enables you to pay your rent or mortgage. You have been to school and maybe even college or university as well. You can read and write and count. You own a car or have a driver’s licence. You have enough money in your own bank account to feed and clothe yourself. You have access to the Internet. You can vote. You have a boyfriend or girlfriend of your choosing, who you can also marry if you want to, and raise a family with. You walk down the street wearing whatever you feel like wearing. You can go to bars and clubs and sleep with whomever you want.

Your world is full of freedom and possibility.

Then you pick up a newspaper or go online. You read about angry women ranting about sexism and inequality. You see phrases like ‘rape-culture’ and ‘slut-shaming.’ You furrow your brow and think to yourself: ‘What are they so angry about? There is no such thing as sexism anymore.’

Now imagine this:

The year is 2013. You are a 25 year-old Pakistani woman. A few months ago, you married the man you love. A man you choose for yourself. You are also pregnant with his child. You see your life stretching out before you, filled with hope and happiness. Suddenly, you and your husband are dragged away from each other. You are both beaten with bricks and batons. You can’t fight back. You can’t escape. No one comes to help you. Through your fading vision, you look up, and look into the eyes of one of your assailants: into the eyes of your father.

The year is 2013. You are a 23 year-old Indian woman. You are a physiotherapy student with a promising career ahead of you. You are sitting on a private bus travelling home alone on a warm December evening. You gaze out of the window as the buildings of New Dheli rush past you and feel content. Suddenly, a blunt force hits the back of your head and you fall to the floor of the bus. A group of strange men are standing over you. They bring the metal bar down on you again and again and again until all you can taste is the blood filling up your mouth. You pray that you will die soon. And you do, but not then. You are raped, beaten, and tortured over and over again. Death is slow and agonising.

The year is 2014. You are a 13 year-old girl from Niger. You no longer live there though. You are now living in the neighbouring country Nigeria, sitting alone in small room on a small bed in a small apartment high above the city of Kano. You are not allowed to leave. Your stomach is swollen from the unwanted life growing inside of it. You had no choice. The father is a man in his 40s. He is a businessman. He has bought you as his wife. You were a penniless, uneducated girl when he came for you. You don’t know of any life you could have had. Neither did your family: just one less mouth for them to feed. You still have the body of a child, and it’s straining under the pressure from the one inside of you. You feel like you’re about to be split in two. You don’t wonder if you will survive the birth. A part of you doesn’t want to.

These are fictionalised accounts of real events that have happened to real women living in our world today. They follow the past 250 years of women and men campaigning for women to be given equal rights to men to prevent these kinds of injustices and abuses on the grounds of gender taking place. Over the course of this time, campaigners – Feminists, both female and male – have been locked up, beaten, tortured, and even killed, in the pursuit of equality. They did this with pen and ink and print; they did this with their voices; they did this with their bodies; they did this with art and music; they did in courts of law and halls and houses of government that they fought be to allowed into.

They did this so that women would no longer been seen as property, livestock, breeding machines, sex objects, punching bags, or infantile morons. They did this not just for themselves, but also for their daughters, and their daughters, and their daughters for generations to come. They did this for women they would never meet – women who lived across countries, across vast oceans, across the entire globe, and even across time.

They did this so that women like me – a white Western woman – could attend school and university; to learn to read, write, and think critically; to gain a degree; to get a job and be paid an equal salary to a man in the same position; and to sit here with my own computer and type all of this.

Feminism is a movement for freedom, equality, choice, love, compassion, respect, solidarity, and education. We may argue, we may disagree, we may struggle to understand the choices and perspectives of others sometimes, but these core beliefs of the movement have never changed, and they never will.

That is why I am a Feminist.

If you feel that you have so far lived your life unaffected by even the mildest form of sexism – anything from feeling uncomfortable when a man catcalls you in the street, to feeling scared walking home alone at night in a secluded area – and are treated with love and respect by every man in your life, then to you I say: I’m glad for you. If you don’t think you need feminism, then that is a victory for the movement. You have fulfilled all those dreams that every suffragette being force-fed in prison and every ‘witch’ burnt at the stake dreamed you would one day.

But perhaps take a second to consider the life of the Pakistani woman who was beaten to death by her own family for marrying a man of her choosing. Or the life of the Indian woman who was raped, beaten, and murdered on a bus by a gang of men. Or the life of the little girl in Niger who was sold to a man more than twice her own age and forced to carry a baby that may kill her to deliver. Do they still need feminism?

And perhaps take a second to consider this too: Even in our liberal, Western world, why do women still only fill 24% of senior management jobs? Why are more women than men domestically abused or even killed every week at the hands of their male partner or ex-partner? Why is there still a pay gap (in the UK specifically) of 15% for women doing the same jobs and working the same hours as men?

And what about on a cultural level? Have you ever noticed how comedy panel shows usually only have one female panellist compared to 4-5 male ones? That almost every dieting product on the market is solely aimed at women? How a lot of newspapers and advertising campaigns will use a sexualised or pornographic image of a woman to sell news or products that have nothing to do with sex?

Or perhaps on a personal level: Do you choose to wear certain clothes because you want to or because you feel ‘unfeminine’ if you don’t? Do you choose to cover yourself up because you want to or because you feel ashamed or intimidated by a man looking at your body? Do you shave your legs and underarm hair because you want to or because you will look ‘ugly’ if you don’t? Did you parents dress you in pink as a baby because they liked the colour or because you were born a girl? Do you want to have children because you want to or because you are a woman?

When you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning, do you see yourself through your own eyes, or through the eyes of the men that will look at you when you walk out the door?

The fact is, like it or not, you still live a world where gender matters. Where gender controls not just the entire course of your life – but the lives of women all over the world. Every second, a child will be born female in a country where she will persecuted for this random biological occurrence for the rest of her life. So before you hold up your anti-Feminist placard proudly and smile at your own sense of empowerment, think not what Feminism can do for you, but what it can do for that one girl. She needs someone to stand up for her. That someone could be you.

UPDATE: Click here to read my follow up to this article: ‘Equalism: The Feminist Alternative?’


This is a response to ‘Women Against Feminism’ groups on Tumblr and Facebook.

The stories of the women mentioned in this post were sourced from these sites:

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2014/05/29/pakistani-woman-stoned-to-death-for-marrying-a-man-of-her-own-choosing/

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2013/01/02/indias-tipping-point-death-of-rape-victim-sparks-global-outrage/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27619295

Other facts and statistics were sourced from here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/international-womens-day-2014-the-shocking-statistics-that-show-why-it-is-still-so-important-9177211.html

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  1. Nathan

    Be careful with the way you apply your tone, young feminist. Someone who writes in the name of equality ought to write (for example) “stop women from being abused”, instead of “stop women from being abused By Men”. Feminism, as demonsrated in this blog post, often adopts the accusatory tone towards men, who are, in the vast majority, not responsible for the ingrained cultural discrepancies between genders. Advocates of feminism ought to press for female progress, period, not female progress in comparison to men. A simple change of wording can help prevent articles like these from ringing with sexist undertones.

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    1. sarahklum

      “stop women from being abused By Men”.

      1) I am no feminist I am a freedom and equality warrior.
      2) She can say abuse by men because men are by far and away the largest source of abuse for women.
      3) Feminism as it is practiced today is absurd. I wrote this to illustrate that point: http://aghostdancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/a-response-to-women-against-feminism/

      Feminism is a bunch of political hacks now and don’t give a rats ass about equality nor women suffering in the world today. They call wants rights and have this whole thing backwards. As far as I am concerned feminism as it lives in the west can’t die off and go away soon enough.

      Next invalid point?

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  2. Peter

    Spot on. You wrote
    “. They did this not just for themselves, but also for their daughters, and their daughters, and their daughters for generations to come. ”

    I would just add “for their sons” too. While there is no one definition of feminism (despite some of the commenters best attempts at a “counter argument”) , I think it should include the damage “anti feminism” does to men as well. Bringing our young men into this culture and teaching it as a norm sets them up for failure. Our young men need to understand that by denigrating women, or even by failing to recognize their struggle, they are limiting their own perception of humanity. This is our failure in raising boys and girls-our social responsibility to respect the humanity in each other.

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  6. Rachel

    What these women seem to miss is that feminism is about paying it forward, not just about serving yourself

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    1. sarahklum

      If feminism cared about women where are their voices in the mistreatment of women under Sharia law? Inequalities of women worldwide? They have the bully pulpit. NOW and other proponent womens groups even have voices in the UN. Yet they are silent about the real war on women but woefully loud when a woman is told pay for your own birth control. They are politically motivated and no longer ideologically pure to even the most basic of womens issues.

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      1. prayerwarriorpsychicnot

        Good point. Perhaps because middle class women used the banner of feminism to give themselves equality with their privileged brothers, and enter the work place half way up the ladder . After they had got rid of discrimination against themselves they stopped. If working class and ethnic women were no longer discriminated against they would have to face competition. While they pursued professional careers they needed somebody else cheap to look after the children and do the housework.

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  7. stephaniesmolders

    Really good post! Wow! You’ve writing exactly what I would say.

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  8. Al

    The only way feminists will stop complaining: More power than men. They don’t want equality. They want dominance.

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  9. Nora

    Your examples highlight the need for basic human rights for all people- male or female- under oppressive regimes and the right of ALL human beings to LIFE and FREEDOM.

    It’s not about a lack of respect for women, it’s a lack of respect for human life.

    By the way– In the same article to highlight the “honor killing” of a woman in Pakistan and relate it back to the lack of female representation on a comedy panel in the western world is completely inane, dangerously so.

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  10. Bayli

    This article makes it sound like women are the only victims of sexism. However men are quite often victims themselves and are not always the “bad guys.” Feminism universally targets all men and blames them for every problem and every difficulty that women have and face.

    Yes, I shave my legs. No, it’s not because a man told me to. It was actually a girl who first told me I should shave my legs–not a boy. It was my mom who helped me learn how to do it–not my dad. And I’ve never had to explain to a guy why I didn’t shave my legs that day–it’s always been to girls.

    So my point is, I don’t support feminism because it blindly makes men the enemy, and the feminists blindly feel like they have to go out and save the world from men. I want sexism to end too, but I don’t feel like I need to go about making that happen in the name of feminism. There are other ways to help people without playing the blame game.

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    1. suebob

      Well said.

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    2. Jayne

      I agree with you, Bayli. Your example shows how many times women can be the suppressor of women. Many times throughout my own life, girls and women of all types usually are the ones who keep the stereotypical female guidelines alive. They say things like shave your legs when you reach middle school, wear feminine clothing because otherwise you aren’t a woman, don’t exercise or else you’ll get a thick neck like a muscular man and no longer be attractive. Women are sometimes the only ones who have emphasized this time and time again in some of their critiques of other women.

      Now, certainly men have played a large role in this as well. Please don’t see my prior paragraph as ignoring their part in the continued sexism today. But, even if it was started by men, articles such as these (or blog posts) only continue the blaming. Both genders played their part.

      Now what are we going to do about it?

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  11. mandlai

    Reblogged this on naturologist.

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  12. Natalie

    Excellent! Thank you for sharing!

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  13. davenatts

    “Have you ever noticed how comedy panel shows usually only have one female panellist compared to 4-5 male ones?”

    Have you ever noticed that only about 1 in 10 topical stand-up comedians are female, hence the shows statistically are booking far more women than they should from the pool of available guests?

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  14. lepearl2013

    I loved every bit of this article and I thank you for writing it in an easy to understand manner, because I do feel that most of the men and women who champion anti feminism are of very little intelligence.

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  15. Jim

    we are in the United States; we don’t need or want feminism here anymore, its destructive, dangerous and sexist now.
    these cruel third-worlds don’t need it either, they need to fight, survive and establish a representative republic, then they can start the changes needed to protect their rights as human-beings.

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  16. frabin

    Question: – What ‘good’ has feminism done for men.
    ………..
    …..

    Exactly. It’s a one sided ideal that discriminates the other for being simply what they are regardless of their persona.

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  17. Baye

    Taking some examples from Pakistan or Niger ? What are you doing for this people ? Anything. That’s dishonest to use them only to illustrate your hatred war against men to promote your own position in your society. These people are dying for illness and famine. Disgusting !

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    1. sarahklum

      If rape and gang rape are “illness” then the only solution is kill the disease! Hmmm?

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  18. Shannon

    As with most things, the people we hear from the most are the extreme of either end. If feminism had remained a movement dedicated to solving the problems described in this blog, I don’t think there would be such a backlash to it. At the core, feminism is meant to be about equal rights for all…what is often demanded, by those extremes, is more rights for one. The man hating, the woman shaming – for things like choosing to be a stay at home mom, or to choose the traditional roles in a relationship – have turned both women and, possibly more importantly, men away from that core message. People are beginning to push back against the extremes – that, I think, is what this “women against feminism” movement is about.

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  19. snugasabugxxx

    The fight for equal rights is good. Equal pay, the vote, the chance for an education

    But we will never be equal in any other way because we are different. We should be fighting for the woman’s natural role in life to be considered as important as the man’s. Sometimes I feel that feminism demeans that role by trying to make it seem that women can become like men, and that it is better to be out at work than staying at home. Bringing up children is one of the most important and difficult jobs in the world, and yet in society and particularly in schools it is not considered a viable career choice. Why not? In fact it is frowned upon. How many young women are urged not to have kids early because it will ruin their life? Why is taking the path of becoming a wife and a mother considered demeaning and a life ruined? It’s what our bodies and minds were made and fine tuned for! and we should be paid for it, not made to think we are worthless because this job doesn’t bring money in! These are the things to fight for. The human race wouldn’t exist without women doing this. And yes of course men play their part. Both are equally important. That is equality – everyones role is equally important, from the street sweeper to the prime minister. The one that brings up the kids and the one that goes out to get the money to pay for living expenses

    Lets not fight for women to become equal. Let’s fight for the recognition that we are already equal and should be treated as such by such outwards signs as equal pay and equal right to vote and equal right to do whatever we are capable of doing

    Women have the right now to do what men traditionally do and have taken it up. The big problem is that men now also have the right to do what women traditionally do but have not taken it up. Hence women now go out to work and come home to do what used to be a full time job in their spare time, while the men come home to relax. This is liberation?

    Yes we women do still want flowers and to have the door held open etc. because we do not have the muscle strength that men have. We want to know that the man we are going to spend our life with is going to be protective and not use his strength against us – that is why we need a man to treat us that way. It is an acknowledgment that despite their strength they are going to treat us delicately and protect us from any that would want to hurt us. Shame on the man who thinks it is manly to “slap his bitch up” – yes lets fight against that and fight for chivalry. This does not mean that we want less pay for doing the same job or that we are less intelligent or that we are incapable of being scientists.

    Let’s fight for the right of women to be women and men to be men. Equally human and equally in need of respect, but different in our natural roles in life.

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    1. RS

      You seem to have missed the point of feminism entirely. Women are constantly being told what to do, how to behave. As a growing woman, you’re told to refrain from sitting with your legs apart because that’s not what women do. They’re always being told what’s expected of them. The point of feminism is to reclaim the choice every woman should have. Have children at 25 because you want to, and feel ready, not because society has told you that that’s a good age to have kids. Be a housewife, or a stay-at-home mom, because that’s what you want, not because you believed that it was solely your job to take care of the children, or because you were made to feel like your husband’s career is more important than yourself. I realise that women do sometimes face ridicule for choosing to be housewives, or marrying early. I do believe that one choice is not better than the other. It’s value lies in being a free choice.
      You raise a valid point that women are still doing most of the housework, in addition to their responsibilities outside of the home. Feminism is against such a gender-ed division of work, and feminists would argue that in the case of a working couple, the woman shouldn’t be expected to still do all the housework, simply because she’s a woman.
      I don’t think chivalry necessarily means that the men in our lives are going respect us. In a lot of cases, particularly in the country I come from, women are ‘protected’ by a curtailment of their freedoms. This desire to protect doesn’t come from love or respect for women, but a tendency to view them as property. MY mother, MY wife, MY sister, MY girlfriend. What kind of a man are you if you can’t protect ‘your’ woman? Women are not possessions. They’re people. Respect them as persons. The fact that women may sometimes ask for help from the men around them doesn’t take away from their inherent equality as persons. You should help anybody who asks for that help, and is deserving of it, regardless of their sex.
      The idea that women have a different ‘natural role’ plays into the stereotypes we have created for women. It automatically means that a woman who doesn’t fulfill this so-called natural role is going against the fabric of society. It villainises women who aspire for something different.
      Lastly, you say, ‘let women be women’. Well, there’s no one way to be a woman. Why don’t we let each, individual woman decide what she wants (and the same would apply to men too, of course), and not make sweeping generalisations about what women want. Not all women may want what you desire. Feminism upholds your right to pursue what you desire. It only asks that you respect the right of other women to want something else.

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      1. RS

        *More important than yours
        **Its value

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      2. Jhan1969

        WHO the f__k is telling women how to behave on America? In that dreamland in your head?

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    2. JP

      My goodness.

      Sorry to hear you’re not strong enough to hold a door open, Snugasabugxxx; that must be inconvenient during the rare moments when no strapping man is around to assist. You may find strength training helpful.

      I would, however, encourage you to look at this, along with the other hurdles you cite, as a personal challenge rather than a state shared by all women, everywhere, all the freakin’ time.

      Wow.

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    3. Katie Lockwood

      “Lets not fight for women to become equal. Let’s fight for the recognition that we are already equal and should be treated as such by such outwards signs” very well said!

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  20. dawnupfold

    Reblogged this on dawnwards and commented:
    The writer does a great job of addressing the backlash against feminism. It is only from a position of hard-won privilege that we can bitch and complain.

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  22. margotohbother

    Reblogged this on The Lady and the Cyborg and commented:
    Great response. Thanks so much for this

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  23. jorgegomes

    it’s 2014, i am a white heterosexual male, living in a european country. i have friends from all “races” and genders. i am very respectful. i grew up with a single mother, she thaught me what NOT to do or think about women. and i learnt! i am not talking in a general way, but about specific situations (many though), I am the subject of strange looks and thoughts from feminists. probably more lesbians than heterosexuals. not taken as a good person because i am a man. not respected, subject of really unfriendly things. my best friend is a lesbian (not a feminist). explain me why. i am not mocking you.. i just really think that this subject won’t be solved with -ISMS. it will be solved when men agnoweledge that we are all the same, but also when women will do that. so there won’t be a need for such a thing. yes. i agree 800% with your examples from india africa and so on, but saddly the feminist movement is not doing much there, it is sometimes overreacting in europe though (i think i am not the only one in this situation??). and i say sometimes because i know pretty well that even in europe men are not respecting women quite a lot of times, i am the FIRST one fighting for equality then. but i am no feminist, i can’t.. i am a man.

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    1. sarahklum

      As a lesbian I can honestly say I have never looked at a man as you describe. Feminists may because they blame men for everything. I don’t blame men for everything. I don’t find them sexually attractive. But I don’t look at them with condescendence or disapproval. Men can be feminist just ask the true feminist movement today known as “Naked Jihad”. We have men and women fighting to end injustice and inequality and barbaric treatment of women in various parts of the world.

      A Response to ‘Women Against Feminism.’

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  24. jorgegomes

    ps: before you get angry at me, i will add something. i do not favour feminism, i favour HUMANITY. and believe me i actually do things for equality between genders. maybe my comentary was directed to extremist feminism? i don’t know but i would like to hear some opinions

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  25. edensanchez

    Reblogged this on algoquesignifiquealgo and commented:
    Women…

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  27. emilyvanh17

    Reblogged this on gallery and commented:
    “The fact is, like it or not, you still live a world where gender matters.”

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  28. geraldisupset
    1. geraldisupset

      PS – kidding just in case you take it seriously.

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  29. State of Alaska

    Reblogged this on State of Alaska.

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  31. Kiran

    Now imagine this, you’re a man who’s wife is divorcing you and taking sole custody of your child. You lose the battle by default based solely on your gender.

    Don’t give me your propaganda BS. Feminists don’t even fight for women in the 3rd world. They’re just a marketing scheme. When was the last time any of you were over there promoting equality? And don’t give me this “gender equality” BS either, because boys get burned alive in their own schools in Africa. Men die by the hundreds so their wives and families can escape. Your equality is broken, because you tunnel visioned on you and yours and forgot about the rest. You forgot the golden rule of equality, EQUAL. EQUAL attention to the sexes. EQUAL attention to all human rights violations. EQUAL inclusion of all persons regardless of race, sex, or sexual orientation.

    Imagine this, feminism actually stood for equality. Then it wouldn’t be called “feminism”, a gender specific term.

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    1. Shannon

      Bravo.

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    2. Maanvi

      ‘Gender equality BS’ needs to be given to people so that they don’t give examples like boys getting burned alive in Africa refuting the concept of equality. It’s not an Us vs. Them game, not a game where I say no, you are responsible for my oppression and I will get my rights by putting down yours. No. I recognize that there are certain rights, freedoms and spaces that are not available to me and are available to others, so I will raise my voice to get those rights, freedoms and spaces (that in all probability, you take so much for granted.) If you get threatened by that, and cannot join us, then that’s your issue.

      You talk about equal attention to sexes. Fair enough. But let’s backtrack, a little shall we? Has history, society, literature, politics and any other social institution ever given equal attention to both the sexes? Absolutely impartial, equal attention? No, it hasn’t. So, what shall we do? Instead of trying to create a space where such equal attention can be given (and history does not get repeated), I say ‘Oh no, let me pretend that both the sexes had similar positions in the starting line in the race for existence, and so if I am a little slower and if I find myself in this place where I am not given basic rights over my body, my life, then it’s my fault?’

      Feminism is a gender specific term because that’s the only space where I can articulate the oppression, the discomfort, the lack of rights I face in my life. It’s the only space where I can protest and fight to get those rights. It needs to be a gender specific term to ensure that my voice does not get lost.

      The day we can assume that the starting line is equal, the day we see that, yes, we may no longer need feminism. But right now, in a world that does not only consist of the West, we need a word that advocates equality and gives a space for some angry voices to be heard.

      Feminism.

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    3. alanarenel

      ^ Exactly

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    4. stuwantsrealeqality

      Well said.
      Say more.

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    5. Katie Lockwood

      YES!

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  32. edgarmelocosta

    Reblogged this on edgarmelocosta.

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  33. catarsisimperfecta

    Reblogged this on Catarsis Imperfecta and commented:
    It’s just a matter of being aware of what happens a little away from our comfortable homes…Thank you great women; thank you feminism.

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  34. Oluwatosin Ojumu

    I don’t love the way other countries are depicted as automatically being more anti-women’s rights. Granted, I did not read the article right down to the bottom, I only read the parts about the 25 year old Pakistani woman, the Indian woman and the woman from Niger. This is so typical of people from some parts of the world to think that they somehow have a stronger commitment to human rights/ethics than people from other parts of the world. As a woman of Nigerian ancestry I can confidently assert that women there are brought up to be far more ambitious than I have encountered in the West – and are more strongly represented in government too. (In the UK women of African descent like me are the demographic who are most likely to be uni educated pver and above everyone else.) I have also read statistics that sexual assault against women is overwhelmingly more prevalent in the supposedly enlightened UK than in India, for instance. I appreciate the concern for global women’s rights but I think you’d do well to be better informed.

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  35. desiroustolive

    I’m sorry, but this makes me kinda angry. There are plenty of young men in these impoverished countries who also have a ridiculously hard life. This is not just a ‘female’ problem. I agree with one of the comments above, this is a HUMAN problem, this is a problem where governments and societies are valued above the individual, where money, oil, wheat and greed dictate our system. I have seen plenty of feral women out there compound and make human suffering worse, men are not the sole problem.
    I would say that there ARE many problems in many societies where women are subject to pretty horrific things because of culture, religion etc. but there are also many many many stories of men getting drawing the short stick too.

    Human equality, mutual human respect and security….. That is what I believe in.

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    1. sarahklum

      In general in the countries mentioned men even the poorest and most down trodden have it significantly better than women. Simply because they are women and the Quran tells them women are no better than donkeys and dogs. Women in these same countries are property to be beaten, abused and even killed at the pleasure of men. So it IS a womans issue.

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  36. Clay

    Personally, I’m a ‘human’ist.

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  37. marigold

    Imagine this: The year is 2010. You are a middle-aged American divorcee living in Asia. You have survived an abusive relationship that kept you uneducated and you have gotten out with the custody of your 3 daughters. On a visitation, their father takes them hostage, and keeps them for your for four years. The American Embassy does nothing, because, well, he’s an American too. They tell you the children seem fine, but agree half-heartedly to put them at least on a international child abduction list. Your family decides the Middle East is too dangerous a place to fight for your children. You fight alone, to get them back. You keep fighting, but it’s hard to know where to turn, what to do.

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    1. Jhan1969

      So let’s take your personal experience and superimpose that on the entire world as a universal truth,

      I think not.

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  38. Aine Rayne

    Reblogged this on Finding the Secret Places.

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  39. S

    So humbling, thank you.

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  40. shreyagiria

    Beautiful!! The world needs feminism!
    The last paragraph gave me goosebumps!
    p.s: its New Delhi*

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  41. charlinosaur

    Reblogged this on Things & Chiz.

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  43. Eva Smith

    Reblogged this on Antebellum Rose and commented:
    Well said. Feminism is not just about the visible or immediate inequality. “I don’t experience that” is not a valid reason for being anti-feminist or speaking out against a movement that struggles to bring equality for women (and men) everywhere.

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    1. Jhan1969

      ‘Feminism is not just about the visible or immediate inequality.’

      That’s a complete nonsense statement, and it’s what you often find in contemporary feminist writing. BS word-play, subjective rambling presented as gospel truth . . .

      Really, whay you don’t like is that people are starting to disagree with you. You’re not used to it, and it’s making you angry.

      And God, how I’m enjoying every minute of it!!

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      1. sarahklum

        It’s slight of hand. Like how global warming (proven quickly to be false) was changed to global climate change which is impossible to disprove. Why? Because the climate does change globally hotter and colder. But does man cause it? Nope it’s still a lie. 🙂

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  45. Equalityist

    I don’t think women against feminism would argue against the rights of women who are persecuted or who’s human rights (as we in the west define them) are compromised. Their issue is not with the positive values inherent in feminism, but rather the divisive values that feminism sometimes propagates and the cliquey, confrontational nature of the term “feminism” which by definition is exclusive in favour of women (I personally don’t feel comfortable calling myself a feminist for this reason). Also, there is a growing view that some parts of the movement are conspicuously anti-male, and seek to victimise men in the media, portraying men as objects of ridicule or as negative, primitive, or incompetent caricatures (ironic when you consider that this is the very thing the movement criticises the media for when it is directed at women). I feel (as I’m sure women against feminism feel) that these negative activities are too numerous to ignore, and overshadow the very important core human rights messages that feminism primarily fights for. I also feel that feminism needs to make a greater effort to highlight the difference between normal, reasonable and descent men who would never perpetrate the acts described in this article, and the kind of men who would perpetrate these acts. For me, it is not about men vs women but rather decent people vs non-decent people as human rights apply to everyone irrespective of gender. A humanitarian man who does not wish to label himself a feminist (a group I identify with) is just as capable of caring about the human rights of the women described in this article as a woman who labels herself a feminist. Feminism does not hold a monopoly on human rights and in fact would benefit by broadening its scope to acknowledge, for example, the gross human rights crimes against men that happen in the world on a daily basis. Don’t forget that men (and often boys) are forced into combat by the thousands in a way that women are not, in countries like Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Palestine, Uganda, Somalia etc, with their minds, families and lives devastated either through injury or death. I’m sure all feminists would agree that these crimes are outrageous, but by being a member of a club that prefers to focus on the rights of women to the extent that that it often ridicules men, such outrage can appear disingenuous. I believe we should care about the rights of all people equally irrespective of gender and I think it might be time for feminism to evolve beyond gender favouritism to protect the rights of men as well as women.

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    1. jhan1969

      I think it’s fairly obvious that ‘Women Against Feminism’ is a reaction to the RADICAL ELEMENTS that have taken over ideological feminism since the late 60’s, early 70’s. IME, as a man who always supported women’s rights, I was very turned off by the Marxist/Nut-job elements in the feminist intelligentsia when I started to look into who actually RAN ideological feminism.

      You see, as much as people want to deny it, America is a CENTER-RIGHT culture. As much as people complain about inequity and so forth (rightly or wrongly), most Americans believe SELF-DETERMINATION, limited government, property rights, the concept of Rule of Law (that the law should be applied to everyone equally and not change according to someone’s personal whims).

      In reading the intellectual movers and shakers of ideological feminism over the past 40 or so years, what I’ve found is an almost unwavering reliance upon Marxist critical theory, with a liberal smattering of ideas from Frankfurt School thinkers like Herbert Marcuse, French po-mo philosophs’ like Foucault, a smattering of leftist notions from women like Simone De Beauvoir, Erich Fromm, etc, etc . . .

      When it comes down it it, the REAL feminist intelligentsia always pushes a LEFTIST worldview, with a call for highly increased government involvement in people’s lives. That is almost ALWAYS the end-point with any ideas the feminist intelligentsia produces. Regardless of the language, regardless of the philosophical ‘flavor,’ 90% of the time it is a call for increased STATISM.

      And most Americans don’t like that.

      Ideological feminists wonder why ‘mainstream’ women turn against them. What the ideological feminist don’t understand – BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN A CULTURAL BUBBLE – is that the majority of women in America do not care much for the leftist worldview that ideological feminism promotes. These women (who are, in reality, much smarter than the intellectuals), are much more concerned with raising their families, performing well at their jobs, paying bills, and generally getting by. They are concerned with the mundane, everyday, REAL WORLD THINGS that the intellectual class seems to be completely unaware of, tucked away in their cozy little sinecures at So-And-So University or Whatever Magazine.

      So . . . when a feminist intellectual (or someone from that world) calls for increased STATISM (which, as I mentioned, always seems to be the endpoint), the everyday ‘woman of America,’ who might be a small business owner in some flyover state, rightly sees that as MORE MONEY SHE WILL HAVE TO PAY IN TAXES. Whatever the conclusions of leftist feminists, the ‘everyday’ woman will have to foot the bill, because it’s ALWAYS ‘everyday’ people who have to foot the bill for the schemes of the intelligentsia.

      Which ALWAYS leads the ‘everyday’ person to ask the question:

      ‘What does some shithead from Harvard know about my world anyway?’

      I’ll put it simply: everyday, walk-of-life feminists refuse to do the EXACT THING THEY HAVE TO DO: look in the mirror, and squarely admit that they’ve let the loonies take over their side of the fence. Without that, they’ve got NOTHING. They will always be at odds with 90% of female America.

      This will difficult. Leftist/Marxist thought is highly resistant to INTROSPECTION. It is a ‘closed,’ determinist philosophical system. It requires that the world be viewed within a specific paradigm, otherwise, the whole thought-system collapses. I have been in debate situations with leftist feminists, and their refusal to question their own philosophical/ideological assumptions is astounding. It’s almost an EMOTIONAL imperative to view the world a certain way, which leads to rationalizations and verbal contortions that ‘everyday’ people could NEVER countenance in their own lives.

      That’s why everyday people (men and women) find their encounters with the more radical elements of feminism shocking, and even downright terrifying. The rad-fems come off as complete nutjobs to people who are required to spend their time in the NO-BULLSHIT-WORLD, solving real-world, everyday problems.

      Sane feminists need to clear out the nut-jobs from their side of the fence. It’s that simple. Just as conservatives need to clear out the loonies from their side. Loonies exist on ALL SIDES, not just the ‘other’ side. Everyday feminists need to start questioning the Marxist critical theory that they’ve been fed as gospel truth. They need to take a look at the true nut-jobs running their own show.

      Otherwise, they will continue to alienate much of female America.

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  46. Laura

    Socialism and communism fight for equality for all, now within these movements women issues are not payed attention to or the whole movement is heavily the representation of male ideas. So then anarchism is a better option to feminism? Are those the suggestions of people attacking feminism as tunneled equality? Just wondering.

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    1. jhan1969

      Socialism and communism are, by default, fascist ideologies, and I will fight with everything I have to ensure that they do not take root in America.

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      1. sarahklum

        They already have. Look at our dictator in chief today.

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  47. alanarenel

    I really did appreciate this article however I do agree with Kiran that by focusing on helping only one gender you’re being sexist yourself. I agree with feminism in so far as fighting for the rights of women, however to have equality we need to stop drawing the line between male and females so much and we need to fight for both sexes. There’s both sides to a story, men have to face the pressures laid upon them due to their sex as well.

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  48. Nush

    I completely agree with a lot of this article.. I know that I am very very fortunate not to feel that I have experienced even mild forms of sexism. However, surely trying to force Western views upon people (however right we feel they are) would only strengthen any resistance to them? Also, a lot of these issues go much deeper than gender inequality. These are also economic problems.. these countries can’t realistically hope to empower women until they have their economies sorted out. Only then can they really change long-lasting traditions and views.

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    1. jhan1969

      “However, surely trying to force Western views upon people (however right we feel they are) would only strengthen any resistance to them?”

      You’re right. We shouldn’t do anything about pre-teen women being forced into marriages with men they’ve never met, women not being able to leave the house unaccompanied by a male relative, women being stoned to death for ‘adultery’; we shouldn’t force out ‘western’ values on them. After all, it’s their ‘culture.’

      Western liberals never cease to amaze me with their mindless BS. I think we should go to the Middle East and hold them all at gunpoint until they stop acting like savages and treat women like human beings. Their values SUCK; ours are better, and I wish to import them worldwide.

      And SURE they’re going to resist; they’re a bunch of animals. Animals always resist civilization.

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  49. Angie P.

    Firstable, I apologize because my english is the worse but I really need to express somethings for all of you:

    a) This article is really good, express the situation in the “same time” in diferent places…
    b) I understard every point of view express before of the mine, the “man” IS NOT the enemy, every person, every human MAN AND WOMAN, ALL OF US are responsable about the educations, actions and make the changes the big changes! the equal life doesnt matter the gender.
    c) I really love the GENTELMAN and the LADIES! THATS is not fight with the abuses, I respetc the roles, and I BELIEVE IN EQUAL OPORTUNITIES….

    We can do the change, but we need to learn to love and respect every point of view, and take the BEST of every person

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  50. antoninaamico

    Perhaps my first and original comment was too hasty. I was more disappointed with the thought that, if we as men and women must unite worldwide and fight to stop injustices that have been pointed out In the above post.
    I don’t intend to offend anyone. I don’t want to to be underpaid because I’m female or given less chance or opportunity. But frankly that shouldn’t happen to anyone male or female. I don’t want to be arrogant and assume the world is ok because mine is ok. But yes, I am very lucky, I haven’t had to deal with any issues because I am female. Everybody deserves that. And I am all ears for people who can speak out and demand the rights they deserve man or woman. Please don’t shout angry things, it’s unnecessary. I am open to my mind being changed. I like a good debate. I am not a feminist, I’m not anti feminist. My opinion is just an opinion.

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    1. jhan1969

      You really need to disabuse yourself of the belief that you have to apologize for your views. In a free culture, you’re allowed to have them and express them. No matter what anyone says.

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